2024 Presidential Election thread

[RatkoVarda]

rancher hopes Trump's tariffs will allow him to get a higher price for his domestic beef

also, he wants Trump to rein in inflation

[mtutiger]

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/11/07/latino-community-in-chicago-divided-by-support-for-trump-as-leaders-pledge-to-continue-advocating-for-immigrants-others-celebrate-trumps-win/

This is behind a paywall so guessing most probably can't read it, but it's interesting read into the Hispanic community in Chicago and the shifts that led to Trump's increasing support. 

I do want to pull out a few quotes that seem to strike at a theme I've noticed both in media and in my own life talking about the election:

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For some naturalized citizens in Chicago, children of immigrants and even some people in the U.S. illegally, the promise of a better economy and stronger border security outweighs the threat of mass deportation and stricter immigration policies. Many said they shifted to the right because they felt left out and betrayed by the Democratic candidates  after recent migrants received financial support and work permits but longtime undocumented immigrants were seemingly forgotten. 

Barajas was one of them. While sipping on his brandy, he said he was hopeful that the new administration “would know who to deport.” 

“There’s people that come here to work, those who are doing the right thing,” he said. “Then there are those who are not doing anything good for the country.” 

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His friend Luis Lopez, 60, a second-generation Mexican American from Guanajuato and Jalisco, cast his vote for Trump in 2020 and again on Tuesday. 

For Lopez, a longtime Pilsen native, the economy and immigration were a factor for voting Republican. Like Barajas, he doesn’t fear mass deportation. Instead, he believes that the incoming administration will take into consideration those without documentation who “came here to work and who have been here for a long time.” 

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That sentiment, strongly contradicted by pro-immigrant leaders in the city, is echoed by Elena Ruiz, a street vendor lacking permanent legal status who was selling donuts outside grocery stores in the Pilsen area. 

Ruiz said that even though she couldn’t vote, she encouraged those who could to vote for Trump. And when she learned that he had won, she immediately called her family in Mexico to let them know. 

“I was extremely happy that Trump won,” she said in Spanish. “I’m not scared. We have been working here for decades, if they wanted to deport us, they would have done it a long time ago.” 

There's a real sense, on any number of issues (including immigration, but also on tariffs, abortion, etc.) that he's not going to go full-on maximalist, or will act with discretion.

We're about to find out whether that is true or not.

Edited November 11, 2024 by mtutiger

[Mr.TaterSalad]

I see Heinrich Himmler is going to be our new Deputy Chief of Staff.

[RatkoVarda]

most likely outcome is the one many people are betting on: Trump will claim he solved any problem totally and strongly, his supporters will agree, and little of substance will actually get done

[mtutiger]

4 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

most likely outcome is the one many people are betting on: Trump will claim he solved any problem totally and strongly, his supporters will agree, and little of substance will actually get done

Spent the last month of 2016 assuming that Trump might be a different guy once entering into office, and that didn't happen.

Others MMV, but when he says he's going to do something (and when he's bringing in Stephen Miller to be in a high level policy position), I'm gonna take him at his word.

[Tiger337]

47 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

most likely outcome is the one many people are betting on: Trump will claim he solved any problem totally and strongly, his supporters will agree, and little of substance will actually get done

That is my best case scenario given the circumstances.  I also think it's the most likely outcome, but there are still some much worse outcomes that have too high of a probabiliy of happening for me to be comfortable.  

[CMRivdogs]

1 hour ago, RatkoVarda said:

rancher hopes Trump's tariffs will allow him to get a higher price for his domestic beef

also, he wants Trump to rein in inflation

Because Tariffs worked so well for farmers last time.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/01/21/trump-tariff-aid-to-farmers-cost-more-than-us-nuclear-forces/

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The Trump administration gave more taxpayer dollars to farmers harmed by the administration’s trade policies than the federal government spends each year building ships for the Navy or maintaining America’s nuclear arsenal, according to a new report. A National Foundation for American Policy analysis concluded the spending on farmers was also higher than the annual budgets of several government agencies. “The amount of money raises questions about the strategy of imposing tariffs and permitting the use of taxpayer money to shield policymakers from the consequences of their actions,” according to the analysis.

 

[pfife]

Ah so we are back to borrowing money from China to subsidize farmers not selling to China.   One of my favorite eras of the first time trump was presidon't

 

[oblong]

33 minutes ago, pfife said:

Ah so we are back to borrowing money from China to subsidize farmers not selling to China.   One of my favorite eras of the first time trump was presidon't

 

Very boot strappy isn’t it?  

[Tiger337]

So, apparently Trump has officially announced that he is going to eliminate the Department of Education.  It's not surprising that a President who can't read or speak beyond a third grade level would want to eliminate a department with the word "education" in it.  

[LaceyLou]

2 hours ago, mtutiger said:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/11/07/latino-community-in-chicago-divided-by-support-for-trump-as-leaders-pledge-to-continue-advocating-for-immigrants-others-celebrate-trumps-win/

This is behind a paywall so guessing most probably can't read it, but it's interesting read into the Hispanic community in Chicago and the shifts that led to Trump's increasing support. 

I do want to pull out a few quotes that seem to strike at a theme I've noticed both in media and in my own life talking about the election:

There's a real sense, on any number of issues (including immigration, but also on tariffs, abortion, etc.) that he's not going to go full-on maximalist, or will act with discretion.

We're about to find out whether that is true or not.

IIRC, there were some last time who also assumed this, and were surprised when they found that they and/or close family members ended up targeted. I'm sure most of us know at least one person who will scornfully point out that they 'already committed a crime' by being here illegally in the first place. Most people with this view won't listen to the point that asking for asylum isn't illegal, or that many undocumented immigrants pay a lot in taxes but don't get benefits in return.

On another note... are the people in articles like this using assumed names? Because if they don't it sure feels like they just put a target on themselves and their family members.

[Tigerbomb13]

2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

So, apparently Trump has officially announced that he is going to eliminate the Department of Education.  It's not surprising that a President who can't read or speak beyond a third grade level would want to eliminate a department with the word "education" in it.  

It’s really going to be a shell of a country by 2028, isn’t it?

[casimir]

3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

So, apparently Trump has officially announced that he is going to eliminate the Department of Education.  It's not surprising that a President who can't read or speak beyond a third grade level would want to eliminate a department with the word "education" in it.  

OK.  Then what becomes of education?

[LaceyLou]

1 minute ago, casimir said:

OK.  Then what becomes of education?

While I don't know if this is something that can be accomplished in a few years, there are those who would like to eliminate public education entirely.

[oblong]

It’s to create a peasant class to do all the work of the migrants. Educated people are costly.  

[Edman85]

I am 95% sure only Congress can add or remove cabinet departments. Granted, I'm six years into a legislature being a rubber stamp for a mad man in my state, so... let's hope some of these house races they are counting flip.

[casimir]

11 minutes ago, oblong said:

It’s to create a peasant class to do all the work of the migrants. Educated people are costly.  

The irony of which would be this class could be highly populated by Trump voters.

[Tiger337]

There's a reason why education sucks...  

There's a reason why it will never be fixed...  

The owners of this country don't want that...

They want obedient workers...

https://www.google.com/search?q=george+carli+education&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS1097US1097&oq=george+carli+education&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIJCAEQABgNGIAEMgkIAhAAGA0YgAQyCQgDEAAYDRiABDIJCAQQABgNGIAEMggIBRAAGBYYHjIICAYQABgWGB4yCAgHEAAYFhgeMggICBAAGBYYHjIKCAkQABiABBiiBNIBCDYwMzBqMGo0qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:e8e5d063,vid:sNXHSMmaq_s,st:0

 

 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Anti-vax RFK Jr. heading HHS will be peak Trump craziness. His anti- vaccination views are literally going to get people killed, many of them children. Taking children and infants off the recommended vaccination schedule will do irreparable harm to generations of scientific research and how people view safe and effective vaccines. We've gotten to the stage of the game where Flat Earthers, evolution deniers, and anti-vaxxers are running the show. 

[1776]

1 hour ago, casimir said:

OK.  Then what becomes of education?

The DOE, in its present state, has only been around since 1980. 

[Archie]

1 hour ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

It’s really going to be a shell of a country by 2028, isn’t it?

It’s really going to be ok.  Give it a chance instead of all the sky is falling fear mongering we see here.   We have almost made it through the term of one of the worst POTUS ever.  Trump and his administration are planning to do a lot to make the country and the world a safer place and put more money in the pockets of Americans.  He is not going to outlaw or do anything to abortion.  He’s actually going to help women by eliminating men competing in women’s sports at all levels.  The only thing the far left has to legitimately complain about at this time is there will not be elimination of free speech and nothing is going to be cancelled because someone’s feeling are hurt.  These are traits of facism the left have embraced so well. On January 20 you might have something to complain about but until then enjoy life.  The country is going to be so much better and safer. 

[Archie]

On 11/7/2024 at 8:18 PM, pfife said:

Welcome back stan

Thanks Barney but I won’t be spending much time here.  

[mtutiger]

1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

I am 95% sure only Congress can add or remove cabinet departments. Granted, I'm six years into a legislature being a rubber stamp for a mad man in my state, so... let's hope some of these house races they are counting flip.

Even at a bare majority of 220-215, they would have trouble nailing foen the votes to eliminate the Department of Education

Edited November 11, 2024 by mtutiger

[pfife]

8 minutes ago, Archie said:

It’s really going to be ok.  Give it a chance instead of all the sky is falling fear mongering we see here.   We have almost made it through the term of one of the worst POTUS ever.  Trump and his administration are planning to do a lot to make the country and the world a safer place and put more money in the pockets of Americans.  He is not going to outlaw or do anything to abortion.  He’s actually going to help women by eliminating men competing in women’s sports at all levels.  The only thing the far left has to legitimately complain about at this time is there will not be elimination of free speech and nothing is going to be cancelled because someone’s feeling are hurt.  These are traits of facism the left have embraced so well. On January 20 you might have something to complain about but until then enjoy life.  The country is going to be so much better and safer. 

Cool story

[mtutiger]

It's the responsibility of the President-elect to win over those who didn't vote for him. That's on him.

The voters don't owe him a thing.