2024 Presidential Election thread

[Edman85]

16 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Even at a bare majority of 220-215, they would have trouble nailing foen the votes to eliminate the Department of Education

The percentage of sane in that 220 is dwindling every cycle.

[mtutiger]

Just now, Edman85 said:

The percentage of sane in that 220 is dwindling every cycle.

Agreed, but I stand behind what I said. Three votes isn't a lot, particularly given there are going to be at least 1-2 vacancies (Stefanik + possible other or others)

[CMRivdogs]

2 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

So, apparently Trump has officially announced that he is going to eliminate the Department of Education.  It's not surprising that a President who can't read or speak beyond a third grade level would want to eliminate a department with the word "education" in it.  

They'll privatize the schools. More cronies to make a buck and cost the little guy $$$. When America was allegedly great (after WWII thru the 50s, 60, 70s, according to the Trumpers) the reality was if you didn't like what the local systems taught you actually paid for the education. Once the schools were desecrated these folks pushed for government supported alternatives.

[Tiger337]

10 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Agreed, but I stand behind what I said. Three votes isn't a lot, particularly given there are going to be at least 1-2 vacancies (Stefanik + possible other or others)

I think anything dealing with something like tax cuts will go through.  I can see where something like eliminating the Dept will be viewed as unnecessary and not necessarily beneficial to their constiuents.  

[Edman85]

12 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Agreed, but I stand behind what I said. Three votes isn't a lot, particularly given there are going to be at least 1-2 vacancies (Stefanik + possible other or others)

The count is currently 222 if they stopped the count now. Not sure if there's blue waves in California mail votes.

[pfife]

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[mtutiger]

2 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

The count is currently 222 if they stopped the count now. Not sure if there's blue waves in California mail votes.

There's 1-2 seats in California that could (perhaps even will) flip based on the behavior of late arriving mail.

My point still stands at 222 though.... I understand that the behavior of the members continues to get worse, but the margins are still incredibly thin. Particularly given that, unless the filibuster is abolished, it's DOA in the Senate.

[Edman85]

3 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

There's 1-2 seats in California that could (perhaps even will) flip based on the behavior of late arriving mail.

My point still stands at 222 though.... I understand that the behavior of the members continues to get worse, but the margins are still incredibly thin. Particularly given that, unless the filibuster is abolished, it's DOA in the Senate.

I can see them nuking the filibuster if it means Trump gets what he wants. And in the Senate, we've lost the Corker's, Romney's, etc.

[mtutiger]

11 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I think anything dealing with something like tax cuts will go through.  I can see where something like eliminating the Dept will be viewed as unnecessary and not necessarily beneficial to their constiuents.  

I don't believe they could use the reconciliation process to eliminate an entire federal department. 

[mtutiger]

5 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

I can see them nuking the filibuster if it means Trump gets what he wants. And in the Senate, we've lost the Corker's, Romney's, etc.

Can't really put anything past them, but based on what has been publicly reported, I'd be surprised if they nuked it. 

[Edman85]

5 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I don't believe they could use the reconciliation process to eliminate an entire federal department. 

I've dealt with 6 years of a legislature rubber stamping whatever cockamamie thing Ronny D wants regardless of precedent. I have a bad feeling they will just find a way and change the rules.

[mtutiger]

2 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

I've dealt with 6 years of a legislature rubber stamping whatever cockamamie thing Ronny D wants regardless of precedent. I have a bad feeling they will just find a way and change the rules.

The margins in the Florida House and Senate are significantly larger than the 119th Congress will be. And have been ever since Ronny D showed up in Tallahassee.

If we were talking about a 20 seat majority, I'd be singing a different tune... 

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

So, apparently Trump has officially announced that he is going to eliminate the Department of Education.  It's not surprising that a President who can't read or speak beyond a third grade level would want to eliminate a department with the word "education" in it.  

the existence of the dept of Education is simply an org chart choice. The real question is what happens to the legislation that directs the department's current mandates? Before there was a department of Education there was a division within the former Dept or Health, Education and Welfare (HEW). The president can reduce his cabinet by one chair (assuming he gets Congress to go along  - TBH, 15 direct reports is a large number for any admin) but the rubber meets the road at what Congress does with all of DOE's current tasks. If they just all get moved into another administrative unit inside say, HHS, then not much changes. It's not like any one knows who the Secretary of Education is or he/she has any great pull in inside the executive branch now.

Just for context, the nation managed to educate the largest cohort in his history before DOE existed (est 1979).

This is actually the kind of thing I hope Trump spends all his time on. Stuff that is red meat to the base but in basically re-arranging deck chairs. Improves the odds he'll have less ambition to screw up important stuff.

 

Edited November 11, 2024 by gehringer_2

[casimir]

2 hours ago, 1776 said:

The DOE, in its present state, has only been around since 1980. 

Not sure what the point here is?

[mtutiger]

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Mike Waltz tapped for NSA... 

Not sure how many more golden tickets they can afford out of the House without creating some short term math issues

[1776]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

They'll privatize the schools. More cronies to make a buck and cost the little guy $$$.

Who do you think is paying the tab on the $240 billion 2024 budget for the boondoggle DOE? It’s the little guy. How much say does the little guy have in deciding where that money is spent?

There is a gentleman that oversees a private school system that is between 6,000-7,000 students the last I checked. This gentleman made his money in business and was very successful prior to founding these schools. In the past two years he opened one of his schools in the Wake Forest area. He did this in an existing building that a communications company moved out of due to competition in their industry. 
The attendance at this particular school is in the hundreds. Unless something changed very recently, this school is tuition free. The school had to turn parents away because it was immediately filled as soon as news was out before the doors actually opened. 
Need more of these stories.

 

[1776]

4 minutes ago, casimir said:

Not sure what the point here is?

Nothing other than an fyi. Not you specifically, but I would guess there are others here that may not have realized that we actually educated many generations successfully prior to the existence of DOE.

[1776]

President-elect Donald Trump is selecting former congressman Lee Zeldin (R., N.Y.) to lead the Environmental Protection Agency, a role with considerable influence over the incoming administration’s energy and regulatory agenda.

[casimir]

14 minutes ago, 1776 said:

Nothing other than an fyi. Not you specifically, but I would guess there are others here that may not have realized that we actually educated many generations successfully prior to the existence of DOE.

Ok, thank you for explaining.

[smr-nj]

26 minutes ago, 1776 said:

President-elect Donald Trump is selecting former congressman Lee Zeldin (R., N.Y.) to lead the Environmental Protection Agency, a role with considerable influence over the incoming administration’s energy and regulatory agenda.

Wonderful choice to head the EPA. 

[oblong]

48 minutes ago, 1776 said:

Who do you think is paying the tab on the $240 billion 2024 budget for the boondoggle DOE? It’s the little guy. How much say does the little guy have in deciding where that money is spent?

There is a gentleman that oversees a private school system that is between 6,000-7,000 students the last I checked. This gentleman made his money in business and was very successful prior to founding these schools. In the past two years he opened one of his schools in the Wake Forest area. He did this in an existing building that a communications company moved out of due to competition in their industry. 
The attendance at this particular school is in the hundreds. Unless something changed very recently, this school is tuition free. The school had to turn parents away because it was immediately filled as soon as news was out before the doors actually opened. 
Need more of these stories.

 

Schools that get to select their students do well. 
 

one reason public schools always score worse than private is because they have to take every student.  Many students have disabilities across the board along with language barriers and horrible home lives.  Many are homeless. It might surprise you to find out they don’t do as well.  They also cost more to take care of. So when you callously speak about bloated budgets you should understand what much of that money goes to. It’s not an apples to apples comparison.  60-70 years ago these kids were discarded and thrown into institutions and forgotten about. You know…back in the “good old days”.   It takes a special kind of cruelty to ignore our most vulnerable kids and citizens but with today’s GOP that’s ultimately the point isn’t it?  

[smr-nj]

7 minutes ago, oblong said:

Schools that get to select their students do well. 
 

one reason public schools always score worse than private is because they have to take every student.  Many students have disabilities across the board along with language barriers and horrible home lives.  Many are homeless. It might surprise you to find out they don’t do as well.  They also cost more to take care of. So when you callously speak about bloated budgets you should understand what much of that money goes to. It’s not an apples to apples comparison.  60-70 years ago these kids were discarded and thrown into institutions and forgotten about. You know…back in the “good old days”.   It takes a special kind of cruelty to ignore our most vulnerable kids and citizens but with today’s GOP that’s ultimately the point isn’t it?  

How do people not understand this?

[Tigermojo]

1 minute ago, smr-nj said:

How do people not understand this?

Ignorance, selfishness, hate, narcissism, privilege, lack of empathy.

[LaceyLou]

35 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

Wonderful choice to head the EPA. 

The Alt-National Park Service page, which was put onto FB after Drumpf part I gutted the department, is now active again. My guess is the Alt-EPA page will be up soon as well.

[oblong]

15 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

How do people not understand this?

Out of sight, out of mind….  they can have a clean conscience.  
 

Vouchers are a scam.   Taxes aren’t linked to people.  If it were the DoD wouldn’t have a budget.