gehringer_2 Posted Tuesday at 01:23 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:23 AM 7 minutes ago, oblong said: Out of sight, out of mind…. they can have a clean conscience. Vouchers are a scam. Taxes aren’t linked to people. If it were the DoD wouldn’t have a budget. I'm as big an opponent of private schools feeding at the public trough as anyone, and it's a topic that stands on its own in any discussion, but I don't see any direct connection to the existence of the Department of Education. The voucher battle has been playing out for decades at the State level. The only way it becomes an issue is if the Fed were to offer a direct private voucher - possible but seemingly an unlikely expenditure choice to come from a GOP Congress - though I freely admit one never knows! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted Tuesday at 01:24 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:24 AM 9 minutes ago, LaceyLou said: The Alt-National Park Service page, which was put onto FB after Drumpf part I gutted the department, is now active again. My guess is the Alt-EPA page will be up soon as well. On the day he is nominated, we had an 18 year old young man who was working with the Park Service battling these very intense fires in NY and NJ (my area) die when a burning tree fell on him. You know, those forest areas where they didn’t sweep. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screwball Posted Tuesday at 01:29 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:29 AM I didn't know the DOE started in 1980. Jimmy Carter was part of it, but it looks like there was some standards before. Graduated in 1974. Spent 35 years in corporate America living in the belly of the beast (engineering). Large multinational companies. The movie Office Space comes to mind. Retired 6 years ago, now teach school at a local college, part of which included high school/trade school students. Our educational system is a mess from top to bottom. It should be called acadummiea. If nothing else comes out of this debate, I hope some adults sit down at the table and have a much needed and honest conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted Tuesday at 01:31 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:31 AM (edited) 1 hour ago, 1776 said: Who do you think is paying the tab on the $240 billion 2024 budget for the boondoggle DOE? It’s the little guy. How much say does the little guy have in deciding where that money is spent? the issue with DOE for educators is that every $ comes strings that end up costing dollars in administrative costs. I guess districts have judged that they get more than the cost or I suppose they would leave the programs, but DOE has been a driver for increased non-teaching payroll at every educational level. That idea of getting rid of the overhead and keeping the money is probably attractive to a lot of people who think doing away with DOE would be nice, but they are doomed to be disappointed. Bureaucracy is more powerful than party - I don't think there is any way they ever get the $$$ without the strings. Edited Tuesday at 01:34 AM by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted Tuesday at 01:37 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 01:37 AM 50 minutes ago, oblong said: Schools that get to select their students do well. one reason public schools always score worse than private is because they have to take every student. Many students have disabilities across the board along with language barriers and horrible home lives. Many are homeless. It might surprise you to find out they don’t do as well. They also cost more to take care of. So when you callously speak about bloated budgets you should understand what much of that money goes to. It’s not an apples to apples comparison. 60-70 years ago these kids were discarded and thrown into institutions and forgotten about. You know…back in the “good old days”. It takes a special kind of cruelty to ignore our most vulnerable kids and citizens but with today’s GOP that’s ultimately the point isn’t it? Preach brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted Tuesday at 01:38 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:38 AM The Department of Education (ED) misled taxpayers for decades. Policymakers have claimed that the federal student loan program would pay for itself—this is utterly false. In fact, because of faulty budgeting, this system has been costing taxpayers billions each year. Despite this, Democrats are still lobbying the Biden administration to enact massive loan forgiveness. Here’s what you need to know… NEW ANALYSIS by a government watchdog finds that ED radically underestimated the true cost of the federal student loan program. While originally expected to generate revenue for the federal government, the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office analysis finds that ED underestimated the cost of the federal Direct Loan program by $311 billion. ———— A few dollars here and a few dollars there and pretty soon… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted Tuesday at 01:41 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 01:41 AM Instead we will get handouts to elon musk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaceyLou Posted Tuesday at 01:44 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:44 AM 2 minutes ago, pfife said: Instead we will get handouts to elon musk We must make sure money gets to the truly needy, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted Tuesday at 01:45 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 01:45 AM Just now, LaceyLou said: We must make sure money gets to the truly needy, after all. He is definitely needy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted Tuesday at 01:45 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:45 AM Little Marco Rubio to State per NYT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaceyLou Posted Tuesday at 01:48 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:48 AM How long before those two egomaniacs (namely Mush and Drumpf) are at war with each other? Should I keep the popcorn handy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted Tuesday at 01:52 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:52 AM 10 minutes ago, 1776 said: The Department of Education (ED) misled taxpayers for decades. Policymakers have claimed that the federal student loan program would pay for itself—this is utterly false. In fact, because of faulty budgeting, this system has been costing taxpayers billions each year. Despite this, Democrats are still lobbying the Biden administration to enact massive loan forgiveness. Here’s what you need to know… NEW ANALYSIS by a government watchdog finds that ED radically underestimated the true cost of the federal student loan program. While originally expected to generate revenue for the federal government, the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office analysis finds that ED underestimated the cost of the federal Direct Loan program by $311 billion. ———— A few dollars here and a few dollars there and pretty soon… I hate the very idea of loans for education. A society that doesn't have the brains to pay to educate its own citizens or at least make it affordable without incurring debt is well on it's way down the tubes already, and of course the biggest unintended consequence of the increase in available loan money has been a reduction in the pressure for cost control at colleges. The former absolutely has driven the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted Tuesday at 01:54 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:54 AM 4 minutes ago, LaceyLou said: How long before those two egomaniacs (namely Mush and Drumpf) are at war with each other? Should I keep the popcorn handy? I didn't think they'd even make it through to the end of the campaign before there were fireworks. I guess while it's rare, there have been some people that been able to stay close to Trump over long periods - Roger Stone comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaceyLou Posted Tuesday at 01:57 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:57 AM 2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I didn't think they'd even make it through to the end of the campaign before there were fireworks. I guess while it's rare, there have been some people that been able to stay close to Trump over long periods - Roger Stone comes to mind. True. I can't decide if it would be pitiful or amusing. Of course, literally none of this should be amusing so there's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted Tuesday at 01:57 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:57 AM 2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I didn't think they'd even make it through to the end of the campaign before there were fireworks. I guess while it's rare, there have been some people that been able to stay close to Trump over long periods - Roger Stone comes to mind. In other words, folks who know where the bodies are buried. (Besides on his golf courses) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screwball Posted Tuesday at 02:00 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:00 AM 21 minutes ago, 1776 said: The Department of Education (ED) misled taxpayers for decades. Policymakers have claimed that the federal student loan program would pay for itself—this is utterly false. In fact, because of faulty budgeting, this system has been costing taxpayers billions each year. Despite this, Democrats are still lobbying the Biden administration to enact massive loan forgiveness. Here’s what you need to know… NEW ANALYSIS by a government watchdog finds that ED radically underestimated the true cost of the federal student loan program. While originally expected to generate revenue for the federal government, the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office analysis finds that ED underestimated the cost of the federal Direct Loan program by $311 billion. ———— A few dollars here and a few dollars there and pretty soon… They have thrown money at the system for years, but they don't spend it wisely. They have turned education into an assembly line instead of a job shop. Too many kids are shoved into a position to fail, not succeed. If you see it up close and personal it is heartbreaking. That's the system they have built and it's shameful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted Tuesday at 02:03 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:03 AM 17 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Little Marco Rubio to State per NYT Does Little Marco have the balls to stand up to our foreign adversaries. Last I heard about him, Trump said he was a weak man with a small ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted Tuesday at 02:04 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:04 AM (edited) So Senate, DeSantis can select somebody nuttier to replace Rubio. Byron Donalds? Or do they not want to risk another House vacancy. He may want to select somebody short term so he can run for that seat in the 2026 Special... Edited Tuesday at 02:05 AM by Edman85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted Tuesday at 02:09 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 02:09 AM 12 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I didn't think they'd even make it through to the end of the campaign before there were fireworks. I guess while it's rare, there have been some people that been able to stay close to Trump over long periods - Roger Stone comes to mind. Technically your expectation is correct. Trump arleady completely debased Musk during his first term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted Tuesday at 02:12 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:12 AM (edited) 13 minutes ago, Screwball said: They have thrown money at the system for years, but they don't spend it wisely. They have turned education into an assembly line instead of a job shop. Too many kids are shoved into a position to fail, not succeed. If you see it up close and personal it is heartbreaking. That's the system they have built and it's shameful. I have a cousin on the faculty at Western Mich. She loves her field but the teaching drives her insane. She's not really allowed to demand anything from the little princes and princesses without getting blow back all the way from the admin and of course they have no idea how unprepared they are because no-one is allowed to make them face reality- it would make them uncomfortable...... Now I saw tons of brilliant,motivated kids at UM and it's easy to get lulled into a false sense of security about the national future until you realize what a small bit of the total cohort you're seeing. They're not the real world, or at least not very much of it. Edited Tuesday at 02:14 AM by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted Tuesday at 02:18 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 02:18 AM 32 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Little Marco Rubio to State per NYT Seems like theres worse poop in the outhouse he could have selected 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted Tuesday at 02:19 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:19 AM Just now, pfife said: Seems like theres worse poop in the outhouse he could have selected Yeah - I was thinking along the same line, at least Rubio is not illiterate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted Tuesday at 02:20 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 02:20 AM Just now, gehringer_2 said: Yeah - I was thinking along the same line, at least Rubio is not illiterate. Hes terrible but terrible within the normal range of terrible 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted Tuesday at 02:21 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:21 AM https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1856158197439946831?s=61&t=akgNyUltuSb7RN54lulxTw Quote You can’t make this **** up. Trump spent the entire end of his campaign attacking Liz Cheney and **** Cheney and their war record and yet his pick for national security adviser is… wait for it… the former counterterrorism adviser to VP **** Cheney. 🤦🏽♂️ https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1856157547750629554?s=61&t=akgNyUltuSb7RN54lulxTw Quote So Trump’s Secretary of State and National Security Advisor’s foreign policy views are pretty much aligned with Bush/Cheney and MAGA still thinks Trump isn’t a con man who only ran to stay out of prison? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted Tuesday at 02:21 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:21 AM So, how soon after he has his Cabinet in place do we think the first firing, or resignation will happen? And who? We should have a pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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