chasfh Posted Tuesday at 02:06 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:06 PM (edited) 17 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Anti-vax RFK Jr. heading HHS will be peak Trump craziness. His anti- vaccination views are literally going to get people killed, many of them children. Taking children and infants off the recommended vaccination schedule will do irreparable harm to generations of scientific research and how people view safe and effective vaccines. We've gotten to the stage of the game where Flat Earthers, evolution deniers, and anti-vaxxers are running the show. I really believe he will do everything he can to get us as close to eliminating vaccinations as he can manage to in this country. He may or may not be able to get them oulawed outright, but if he can’t, he can drive policy to make them so expensive that only the upper 1%—like he and his own family—will be able to comfortably afford them. Getting them removed them from coverage on insurance health plans would go a long way there. Edited Tuesday at 02:07 PM by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted Tuesday at 02:10 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:10 PM 3 minutes ago, chasfh said: So, essentially, this was a wealth transfer program: Trump’s took the new tariffs he imposed and then transferred the money directly to multinational agribusiness corporations, not to be shared by anyone else in the chain—rather than either leaving the prices where they were and allowing consumers to pay less for farm products, or using the additional tax receipts from tariffs to pay for other government programs. Result: more money out of pocket of consumers going directly into the pockets of agribusiness for the same amount of goods. Slick. Especially when you factor in aid to farmers who were affected by the tariffs, according to the posted article, about $28 million. I seem to remember a large chunk went to agri business, not to mention several members of Congress who claimed to have "family farms" It was a bit like the first round of subsidies during COVID several members of Congress (or family members) on both sides of the aisle made out fairly well. https://rollcall.com/2020/07/08/14m-in-relief-funds-find-members-and-family/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted Tuesday at 02:11 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:11 PM What I don't understand is the millions upon millions Harris paid folks to show up at her rallies. If they truly wanted to save the republic of woke why did it cost so much to get them to say it? Oprah for a million seemed like the bargain price IMHO. Beyonce 10 mill? Paid staffers 500 million with a billion plus budget that ended in the negative. She could not even run a solvent campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Tuesday at 02:13 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:13 PM 15 hours ago, pfife said: https://www.wlns.com/news/im-at-a-loss-honestly-people-holding-nazi-flags-harass-citizens-in-mid-michigan/ ‘I’m at a loss honestly:’ People holding Nazi flags harass citizens in Mid-Michigan Between the protests and the Nazi flag wavers, January 20 could make Jan 6 look downright chaste, especially if they clash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted Tuesday at 02:15 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:15 PM 3 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: What I don't understand is the millions upon millions Harris paid folks to show up at her rallies. If they truly wanted to save the republic of woke why did it cost so much to get them to say it? Oprah for a million seemed like the bargain price IMHO. Beyonce 10 mill? Paid staffers 500 million with a billion plus budget that ended in the negative. She could not even run a solvent campaign. Quote Trying to think about how best put this, but the message sent by the voters on Tuesday was about the environment more than anything else IMO. People were pissed off and wanted to punish the administration. That's it. In that context, elevated with only 107 days to go, Harris spent a lot of time and money in the battleground states and, relative to the popular vote nationwide, outperformed in each of them by around 3.5%. And her presence likely saved at least three Senate seats and countless House members who would have been wiped out had Biden stayed the nominee. Journalists in DC are gonna do what they are gonna do to get clicks... The Biden people (who are more guilty than literally anyone on this - many should never work in politics again as far as I'm concerned) are gonna go off record and play the blame game, because of course they are. But the facts are the facts... Maybe there's changes here or there that could have been made, idk... I just don't see how you can look at the full picture and not see how much worse this result could have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Tuesday at 02:15 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:15 PM 15 hours ago, mtutiger said: Can't really put anything past them, but based on what has been publicly reported, I'd be surprised if they nuked it. They could make it a lot a lot harder to do a filibuster—i.e., make senators stand on the floor and orate a la Mr. Smith like they did in the old days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted Tuesday at 02:17 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:17 PM Just now, chasfh said: They could make it a lot a lot harder to do a filibuster—i.e., make senators stand on the floor and orate a la Mr. Smith like they did in the old days. Does that mean more Ted Cruz reading Goodnight Moon. They need to also make the speeches relative and include mandatory fact checking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Tuesday at 02:20 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:20 PM 15 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: the existence of the dept of Education is simply an org chart choice. The real shot across the bow is how they will turn public schools into MAGA indoctrination camps, dialing back on academic schooling and leaning into performative patriotism and religiosity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted Tuesday at 02:25 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:25 PM Interesting takeaway on where voters received their information during this past cycle. Seems like a lot of it evolved like the old game of telephone https://www.chip50.org/reports/2024-us-elections-sources-of-news-and-information Quote KEY TAKEAWAYS ● Friends and family (29%) and news media (26%) are the top sources Americans use for voting information, with younger people (18-24) leaning more on personal networks, and the older population (65+) favoring news media. ● Americans with less formal education tend to rely more on friends and family for election information, while those with higher education and income are more likely to prefer the news media. ● Democrats and Independents are more likely to rely on news media (29%), whereas Republicans more often get information from friends and family (34%). ● Local media serve as the main election information source for 8% of Americans, while national media are preferred by 17%. Three quarters of Americans identify sources other than the news media as their main way of staying informed about the 2024 election. ● Older Americans, as well as those with lower income and education, are most likely to rely primarily on local news for 2024 election information. ● Across US states, the reliance on national news for election information is highest in Connecticut (26%), Massachusetts (26%), and Nevada (25%), while the states where people are most likely to rely on local news are Hawaii (14%), Louisiana (13%), and South Carolina (12%). ● Only 25% of Americans report being very or extremely satisfied with local political news, with satisfaction levels relatively higher among Black respondents (35%), Democrats (38%), and people living in urban areas (33%). ● Americans with higher income and formal education levels are more likely to report being satisfied with local political news. ● DC (48%), New York (42%), North Carolina (33%), Pennsylvania (33%), Michigan (31%), and Illinois (30%) reported highest satisfaction with local news about politics (percent respondents saying they were “very” or “extremely” satisfied). ● Conversely, Montana (50%), Idaho (49%), Wyoming (45%), New Mexico (45%), and New Hampshire (40%) were most dissatisfied with local news (percent respondents saying they were “not too satisfied” or “not at all satisfied”). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Tuesday at 02:26 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:26 PM 13 hours ago, oblong said: Schools that get to select their students do well. one reason public schools always score worse than private is because they have to take every student. Many students have disabilities across the board along with language barriers and horrible home lives. Many are homeless. It might surprise you to find out they don’t do as well. They also cost more to take care of. So when you callously speak about bloated budgets you should understand what much of that money goes to. It’s not an apples to apples comparison. 60-70 years ago these kids were discarded and thrown into institutions and forgotten about. You know…back in the “good old days”. It takes a special kind of cruelty to ignore our most vulnerable kids and citizens but with today’s GOP that’s ultimately the point isn’t it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Tuesday at 02:31 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:31 PM 12 hours ago, LaceyLou said: How long before those two egomaniacs (namely Mush and Drumpf) are at war with each other? Should I keep the popcorn handy? I am actively rooting for that, but I’m not holding my breath, because Trump looks up to Elon because of his money, which is the only thing Trump respects, and I can’t see how Trump would ever walk from the relationship. If anything, Musk threatening to end the relationship from his side will get a desperate Trump giving Musk even more than he asks for to mollify him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Tuesday at 02:34 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:34 PM 12 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Does Little Marco have the balls to stand up to our foreign adversaries. Last I heard about him, Trump said he was a weak man with a small ****. Which means Marco will do exactly what Trump, or more likely his inner circle, instruct him to do, and he will bring nothing he learned in Congress about diplomacy to bear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted Tuesday at 02:35 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:35 PM 8 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: I can understand that. Too bad they put a terrible candidate in Harris out as their best option. If you look at the way Harris ended up at the top of the D ticket, it does raise questions about the expectations of success. She was the first out in the 2020 primary. She wasn’t moving the needle at all and wisely dropped out. She was hand picked because of her gender and color to be the 2020 VP. And lastly, Harris was literally handed the top of the ticket to defend in the general election. She was never “elected” for anything after leaving the senate. Yes, she was elected with Biden in 2020, if that’s any consolation. In my opinion the Biden administration never gave her any real responsibilities that would allow her to pad her resume. Being serious, this jumps out at me. I wonder if this combination of circumstances had ever occurred in a presidential race before. I would doubt it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted Tuesday at 02:35 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 02:35 PM (edited) Trump doesnt need or want Rubio to stand up to adversaries he wants him to stand up to allies. Edited Tuesday at 02:36 PM by pfife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted Tuesday at 02:37 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:37 PM 1 minute ago, chasfh said: I am actively rooting for that, but I’m not holding my breath, because Trump looks up to Elon because of his money, which is the only thing Trump respects, and I can’t see how Trump would ever walk from the relationship. If anything, Musk threatening to end the relationship from his side will get a desperate Trump giving Musk even more than he asks for to mollify him. If a split between Trump and Musk does occur we might be looking at the implementation of the 25th Amendment we're halfway expecting. I see Vance more aligning with the Musk factions. While what we're hearing about appointments seem to lean more heavily on Trump loyalists, I do expect to see a large number who would be willing to throw him overboard should Trump stumble. The big question is where does Vlad stand on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted Tuesday at 02:37 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:37 PM 1 hour ago, pfife said: Sweet identity politics You guys would call it DEI politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted Tuesday at 02:38 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 02:38 PM (edited) 2 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: You guys would call it DEI politics. Ive never called anything that but whatevs i guess Just keep making it up per yoosh It was literally the right calling Kamala a DEI hire. Youre completely backwards. Edited Tuesday at 02:40 PM by pfife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Tuesday at 02:38 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:38 PM 12 hours ago, pfife said: Hes terrible but terrible within the normal range of terrible So Marco is not deranged, is what you’re telling us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted Tuesday at 02:39 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 02:39 PM (edited) 1 minute ago, chasfh said: So Marco is not deranged, is what you’re telling us? As of now im ok with that assessment Edited Tuesday at 02:39 PM by pfife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Tuesday at 02:40 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:40 PM 12 hours ago, smr-nj said: So, how soon after he has his Cabinet in place do we think the first firing, or resignation will happen? And who? We should have a pool. I don’t know … weren’t most of those firings and resignations due to gross competency? Who’s going to qualify on those grounds in this regime? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Tuesday at 02:43 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:43 PM 2 hours ago, mtutiger said: Trump picks Kristi Noem to serve as his Homeland Security secretary Not exactly clear what qualifies Kristi for this role.... Sounds like the perfect pick to round up immigrants like dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Tuesday at 02:45 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:45 PM 1 hour ago, casimir said: Yeah, I hate Trump. He is completely unfit and unqualified for office. I don't agree with everything under the D umbrella, nor did I think voting third party was wise. I voted for Harris as the best option. Aw, man, and here he thought you were one of the good ones … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Tuesday at 02:50 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:50 PM 1 hour ago, casimir said: Yeah, I hate Trump. He is completely unfit and unqualified for office. Oh, man, you are gonna get so doxxed for stuff like this. And I’m gonna get so doxxed for hearting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Tuesday at 02:53 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:53 PM 47 minutes ago, mtutiger said: All of this is to say that, as Trump has won the election... the onus on him, not the greater population, to prove it. And yeah, when he selects someone as unqualified as Kristi Noem to a position like HHS Secretary, it shouldn't exactly come as a shock to people that it's going to get criticized. As the grand exalted president, Trump has nothing to prove to us. It is we who will be required to prove ourselves to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Tuesday at 02:55 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:55 PM 43 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Especially when you factor in aid to farmers who were affected by the tariffs, according to the posted article, about $28 million. I seem to remember a large chunk went to agri business, not to mention several members of Congress who claimed to have "family farms" It was a bit like the first round of subsidies during COVID several members of Congress (or family members) on both sides of the aisle made out fairly well. https://rollcall.com/2020/07/08/14m-in-relief-funds-find-members-and-family/ Oh, yeah, I forgot all about this one. lol businessmen leave their fortunes behind to go into government to help the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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