2024 Presidential Election thread

[Mr.TaterSalad]

2 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Trump picks Kristi Noem to serve as his Homeland Security secretary

Not exactly clear what qualifies Kristi for this role.... 

I'm surprised she had a shot for Homeland Security considering she's been dogging it as Governor this past year. 

[romad1]

1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I'm surprised she had a shot for Homeland Security considering she's been dogging it as Governor this past year. 

if there were one nomination I could see a fight for...

[Edman85]

At some point the 15-some-odd diseases that vaccines help prevent will come back and there will be some awakening/correction, right?

 

Also, I'm curious if BS's embed, but... https://bsky.app/profile/notalawyer.bsky.social/post/3ladhvprtci2j

Edited Tuesday at 03:19 PM by Edman85

[chasfh]

45 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

If a split between Trump and Musk does occur we might be looking at the implementation of the 25th Amendment we're halfway expecting.

I don't see how they could ever get away with a 25th Amendment on Trump, because the red hats voted for Trump the man, not Vance or Republicans in general or policies. They want to be entertained, not governed.

The only possible way I can see 25A implemented is if the power of the red hat voter were to be completely denuded, so that any rebellion by them could be quickly and easily crushed. Maybe that's when the red hats would finally wake the **** up from their dizzy dream.

[chasfh]

19 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I'm surprised she had a shot for Homeland Security considering she's been dogging it as Governor this past year. 

[Tigeraholic1]

👀 

 

[mtutiger]

58 minutes ago, 1776 said:

If you look at the way Harris ended up at the top of the D ticket, it does raise questions about the expectations of success. 
She was the first out in the 2020 primary. She wasn’t moving the needle at all and wisely dropped out. She was hand picked because of her gender and color to be the 2020 VP. And lastly, Harris was literally handed the top of the ticket to defend in the general election. She was never “elected” for anything after leaving the senate. Yes, she was elected with Biden in 2020, if that’s any consolation. In my opinion the Biden administration never gave her any real responsibilities that would allow her to pad her resume. Being serious, this jumps out at me. I wonder if this combination of circumstances had ever occurred in a presidential race before. I would doubt it. 

 

Humphrey is the closest corollary to this election, and we saw how that turned out (ie. not well for Humphrey)

My pushback on Tigeraholic here though isn't so much that Harris was a uniquely strong candidate... I think she ran a better race that I expected, but she was far from the platonic ideal candidate. But again, this all went down 107 days before the election.... chances are none of the alternatives wanted anything to do with running in the first place given that there was this little time left. And the election, how it played out and what drove the median voter, really made clear that this thing was going to be a slog no matter who would have replaced Biden.

And I would add again that Biden staffers are among the least credible people to be making comments about this right now. To the extent that we are in this situation, their boss bears a lot of responsibility for not announcing sometime in late 2023 that he was going to withdraw. Frankly, anything they say off the record to media outlets oughta be taken with an entire bottle of Morton's salt.

Edited Tuesday at 03:35 PM by mtutiger

[romad1]

22 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

At some point the 15-some-odd diseases that vaccines help prevent will come back and there will be some awakening/correction, right?

 

Also, I'm curious if BS's embed, but... https://bsky.app/profile/notalawyer.bsky.social/post/3ladhvprtci2j

I would love it if the embed function worked better.  The comment in response was solid. 

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one thing I’m looking forward to is how quickly RFK gets thrown out on his ass after some biotech investor calls Trump to complain

 

[romad1]

I guess I can see brain worms having to survive a nomination fight.  

[pfife]

Ive tried to embed from bsky with no luck.   There is an app to add all of the html tags and it still didnt work.   The mobile app has a way to copy all of that stuff too and that didnt work either.

[Tigeraholic1]

4 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Humphrey is the closest corollary to this election, and we saw how that turned out (ie. not well for Humphrey)

My pushback on Tigeraholic here though isn't so much that Harris was a uniquely strong candidate... I think she ran a better race that I expected, but she was far from the platonic ideal candidate. But the election really made clear that this thing was going to be a slog no matter who would have replaced Biden.

And I would add again that Biden staffers are among the least credible people to be making comments about this right now and, frankly, anything they say off the record to media outlets oughta be taken with an entire bottle of Morton's salt.

Are we ever gonnna know why 10 million 2020 dem voters sat out this cycle? The biggest election with so much on the line and 10 mill said "Nah, not gonna vote this round". Perspective nearly the population of NYC and Chicago combined sat out this election cycle. 

 

 

[mtutiger]

7 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Are we ever gonnna know why 10 million 2020 dem voters sat out this cycle? The biggest election with so much on the line and 10 mill said "Nah, not gonna vote this round". Perspective nearly the population of NYC and Chicago combined sat out this election cycle. 

 

 

People were pissed off at Joe Biden and not motivated to show up? Particularly in states like New York and Illinois which weren't competitive?

It's like you aren't even bothering to read my posts lol

[pfife]

4 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

 

It's like you aren't even bothering to read my posts lol

Have you considered making your posts look like an embedded state media post from "End Wokeness"?

Edited Tuesday at 04:03 PM by pfife

[pfife]

Or "Pepe lives matter"?

[1776]

14 hours ago, oblong said:

Out of sight, out of mind….  they can have a clean conscience.  
 

Vouchers are a scam.   Taxes aren’t linked to people.  If it were the DoD wouldn’t have a budget.  

Vouchers aren’t a scam. The state of North Carolina’s Constitution promises that every child in NC is to be provided a good education. If the current status quo isn’t working, and that’s up for debate, the General Assembly can approve vouchers that go to the child/family rather than funding the school itself. The money follows the child, not the school. The Democrats in North Carolina oppose any system or plan that doesn’t tie the student to their district school. Like any other state, NC has schools that are not serving the purpose set forth in our constitution. Vouchers are not a scam. 
 

[Hongbit]

Why are we even keeping the Department of Homeland Security?   I was assured that just by having Trump in the White House other nations would fear and respect us again.   DHS is a redundant waste of taxpayer money now that Trump has solved the border issue and normalized relations with Russia and North Korea.

[HighOPS]

One concern with RFK-like health policies broadly applied is - could there be a time when the US military can't effectively fight because of a contagious disease outbreak?

I'm more worried that Trump's only competence is in marketing and he'll be capturing people without a plan for their safety.

I'm also more worried about mid-level positions at department protecting the environment and food chain being taken over by ignorant political hacks. 

But, a military unprepared for stupid reasons is something, too.

[CMRivdogs]

17 minutes ago, 1776 said:

Vouchers aren’t a scam. The state of North Carolina’s Constitution promises that every child in NC is to be provided a good education. If the current status quo isn’t working, and that’s up for debate, the General Assembly can approve vouchers that go to the child/family rather than funding the school itself. The money follows the child, not the school. The Democrats in North Carolina oppose any system or plan that doesn’t tie the student to their district school. Like any other state, NC has schools that are not serving the purpose set forth in our constitution. Vouchers are not a scam. 
 

Vouchers effectively reduce the amount of funds that would normally go to school systems. Most public schools funding is based on the number of students. Vouchers virtually guarantee eventual failure of the public schools in favor of private or charter schools. Basically the rich get richer and the poor get screwed.

It's a foregone conclusion that private funded institutions can pick or choose students as opposed to public schools who must accept anyone. This effectively reduces the quality of education in public schools. Once again enforcing the argument that schools are failing. Reduction in funding also reduces the chance that public schools can hire better educators.

Private and charter schools do not have the same degree of oversight that public institutions have, yet they still receive public funding because of vouchers.

Once again less money for schools means fewer options for lower middle class and poor students. Perpetuating the poverty rate in many inner city and low populated rural areas.

Personally I feel that every parent can send their kids to whatever school they want. I just don't want my tax money to underwrite them.

 

[Hongbit]

44 minutes ago, 1776 said:

Vouchers aren’t a scam. The state of North Carolina’s Constitution promises that every child in NC is to be provided a good education. If the current status quo isn’t working, and that’s up for debate, the General Assembly can approve vouchers that go to the child/family rather than funding the school itself. The money follows the child, not the school. The Democrats in North Carolina oppose any system or plan that doesn’t tie the student to their district school. Like any other state, NC has schools that are not serving the purpose set forth in our constitution. Vouchers are not a scam. 
 

One of the first places I look when faced with a dilemma on what’s good for my child is the Constitution of North Carolina.    

This is why she will absolutely be allowed and encouraged to smoke cigarettes at 18 despite our archaic federal laws.   

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

People were pissed off at Joe Biden and not motivated to show up? Particularly in states like New York and Illinois which weren't competitive?

It's like you aren't even bothering to read my posts lol

Well, it's not like he's the only one ... 🦆🦆🦆

I do think it will take some weeks to sift through the volume of data.

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Are we ever gonnna know why 10 million 2020 dem voters sat out this cycle? The biggest election with so much on the line and 10 mill said "Nah, not gonna vote this round". Perspective nearly the population of NYC and Chicago combined sat out this election cycle. 

 

 

I think the bigger question is why the Democrats super-cheated to win the 2020 election but didn't bother to cheat even a little to win this one. 😜

[Edman85]

I will never forget when I took over my alumni club and the task I had was to reach out to local schools to advertise our scholarship. A good 30% of private schools on the list had gone belly up.

Edited Tuesday at 05:10 PM by Edman85

[1776]

3 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

I will never forget when I toon over my alumni club and the task I had was to reach out to local schools to advertise our scholarship. A good 30% of private schools on the list had gone belly up.

Competition will do that. The better options will generally come out ahead in a free market. 

[Edman85]

1 minute ago, 1776 said:

Competition will do that. The better options will generally come out ahead in a free market. 

Sorry, Timmy, you have to hang back a grade because capitalism took out your school.

[1776]

37 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Vouchers effectively reduce the amount of funds that would normally go to school systems. Most public schools funding is based on the number of students. Vouchers virtually guarantee eventual failure of the public schools in favor of private or charter schools. Basically the rich get richer and the poor get screwed.

It's a foregone conclusion that private funded institutions can pick or choose students as opposed to public schools who must accept anyone. This effectively reduces the quality of education in public schools. Once again enforcing the argument that schools are failing. Reduction in funding also reduces the chance that public schools can hire better educators.

Private and charter schools do not have the same degree of oversight that public institutions have, yet they still receive public funding because of vouchers.

Once again less money for schools means fewer options for lower middle class and poor students. Perpetuating the poverty rate in many inner city and low populated rural areas.

Personally I feel that every parent can send their kids to whatever school they want. I just don't want my tax money to underwrite them.

 

So what do you say to the millions of inner city kids that don’t have a chance in hell of getting a decent education and have zero options of escaping the trap they’re in? These public schools are literally failing these kids and their future. Are vouchers not a better choice if the kid can find better options than some holding cell until they can quit? 
Politicians talk all kinds of promises but they aren’t interested in really addressing the problems that I’ve seen.