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Schools that get to select their students do well.    one reason public schools always score worse than private is because they have to take every student.  Many students have disabilities acro

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He has immunity though so it’s all good. 

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Deep-seated fears of a Trump autocracy have led me to this path.  It started when I first saw him in a debate in 2015 and I thought "nobody could be this stupid and still have so many people cheering

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  On 11/12/2024 at 8:03 PM, Mr.TaterSalad said:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/well-developed-public-education-system

Want to take a guess at what countries rank higher than us. Hint, many of them are social social democracies with high taxes and generous welfare programs. Looking at the top 10 rankings from US News and World Reports you'll see many social democratic nations on the list and a few like the UK and Switzerland, that have large welfare states and large social democratic political forces.

1. Denmark - Social democracy

2. Sweden - Social democracy

3. UK - Social democratic elements, if not an outright social democracy

4. Finland - Social democracy

5. Germany - Social democracy

7. Norway - Social democracy

9. Switzerland - Social democratic elements, if not an outright social democracy

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I am really happy for those countries. Maybe if you get enough people here to vote for a social democracy we can become one ourselves. 

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  On 11/12/2024 at 8:43 PM, oblong said:

we all know if the results and trends had been exactly reversed that Trump would have called Harris that night and practically disappear a week later.   Right?

 

 

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He'd be hard at work trying to nullify American votes. Just like last time

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  On 11/12/2024 at 3:49 PM, Tigeraholic1 said:

Are we ever gonnna know why 10 million 2020 dem voters sat out this cycle? The biggest election with so much on the line and 10 mill said "Nah, not gonna vote this round". Perspective nearly the population of NYC and Chicago combined sat out this election cycle. 

 

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It's all about timing.  In 2020, we were in the middle of the worst public health crisis of our lifetimes.  The whole country was shut down due to Covid and the president wasn't taking it seriously - denying that it was real, making jokes about it, blaming it on everyone else and wondering whether it would be helpful if everyone injected themselves with disinfectant.  His complete incompetence and stupidity made past non-voters want to vote for him in hopes that they they could get their lives back to normal again.  There was no such crisis this time around, so non-voters went back to being non-voters again.    

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  On 11/12/2024 at 10:33 PM, Tiger337 said:

It's all about timing.  In 2020, we were in the middle of the worst public health crisis of our lifetimes.  The whole country was shut down due to Covid and the president wasn't taking it seriously - denying that it was real, making jokes about it, blaming it on everyone else and wondering whether it would be helpful if everyone injected themselves with disinfectant.  His complete incompetence and stupidity made past non-voters want to vote for him in hopes that they they could get their lives back to normal again.  There was no such crisis this time around, so non-voters went back to being non-voters again.    

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That is true. The only crisis this time was the media telling everyone to be scared of everything. Still amazes me 10 million literally voted one election cycle then disappeared. Trump voters were virtually unchanged so the left should really wonder how you get those votes back. This would suggest another plague would get them off the couch.

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  On 11/13/2024 at 12:18 AM, Tigeraholic1 said:

That is true. The only crisis this time was the media telling everyone to be scared of everything. Still amazes me 10 million literally voted one election cycle then disappeared. Trump voters were virtually unchanged so the left should really wonder how you get those votes back. This would suggest another plague would get them off the couch.

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There is no immediate crisis now, just the potential of some really bad stuff down the road.  I am not quite as alarmed as some here are, but I think there is real chance for slow erosion of democracy and freedoms.  That's not the tangible thing that will make non-voters vote though. 

What it will take for the Democrats to get back in control is bad economy during Trump's presidency and a candidate that people can get behind.  You can't predict that far ahead.    

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  On 11/13/2024 at 12:43 AM, Tiger337 said:

There is no immediate crisis now, just the potential of some really bad stuff down the road.  I am not quite as alarmed as some here are, but I think there is real chance for slow erosion of democracy and freedoms.  That's not the tangible thing that will make non-voters vote though. 

What it will take for the Democrats to get back in control is bad economy during Trump's presidency and a candidate that people can get behind.  You can't predict that far ahead.    

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A couple of things.

1) Even beyond knowing what will happen four years from now, there's a pretty established pattern of what tends to happen in Midterm elections, regardless of economic conditions: Elected (or Reelected) candidate overreaches, loses their honeymoon level of popularity then subsequently takes it in the shorts in the Midterms.

The two exceptions I can remember are:

  • Bill Clinton's Second Midterm, Impeachment Backlash
  • Joe Biden's Midterm, combination of ****ty candidates and Roe backlash

Nobody should be surprised if this happens to DJT again in his second term.

2) This election is the last time Donald Trump will be on a ballot.... some of the trends, particularly with Latino voters, may have a degree of permanence to them, but it remains a fact that in downballot races almost everywhere, Democratic candidates overperformed in this election. And that is at least in some in part due to low propensity voters who showed up, checked the box for DJT, and then proceeded to leave everything black and walked back out of the booth.

All of this is to say that after 2020 and 2024, it's pretty clear that DJT comes with his own impacts as a candidate that aren't necessarily replicable without him on a ballot. We need to keep that in mind when we think about future elections IMO

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  On 11/13/2024 at 1:01 AM, Edman85 said:

No way this Hegseth character gets through the Senate, right? Is the Senate still 60% for non-judicial nominees?

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He’s a 44 year old TV host and his highest military rank was Major in the Army Reseve.   That’s not close to being qualified for being even a deputy director.   Even nominating him is a ridiculous insult to the position. 

I also like that his second marriage ended after he got his Fox News producer pregnant.  Together they have 7 kids like a Trumpy Brady Bunch.  

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  On 11/13/2024 at 12:16 AM, mtutiger said:

Trump apparently plucked his next Secretary of Defense from the Fox and Friends couch.

Truly idiocracy-esque

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This kind of thing has to drive the serious project 2025 people crazy because if you put someone in charge who is a total rank amateur, it doesn't matter what the policies are or try to be, they don't have the first idea where the buttons and knobs are to actually to do anything, they have no idea how to 'operate' the job, who to call, etc. It's like dropping a airline travel writer behind the stick of a 787 and saying "there ya go! Run it like you think it should be run."

Trump apparently learned less in this first time around the bend than I thought he might of, making the same mistakes over again.

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  On 11/13/2024 at 3:30 AM, pfife said:

So the government efficiency group needs 2 chairmen.  Efficient.

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Sissy Space X and what’s his name.

The doorway to whatever room they’d work in will need to be about 20 feet wide to fit their heads.

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  On 11/13/2024 at 2:59 AM, gehringer_2 said:

This kind of thing has to drive the serious project 2025 people crazy because if you put someone in charge who is a total rank amateur, it doesn't matter what the policies are or try to be, they don't have the first idea where the buttons and knobs are to actually to do anything, they have no idea how to 'operate' the job, who to call, etc. It's like dropping a airline travel writer behind the stick of a 787 and saying "there ya go! Run it like you think it should be run."

Trump apparently learned less in this first time around the bend than I thought he might of, making the same mistakes over again.

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There is always the consideration that this guy is cannon fodder to give the opposition something to waste their time on and so they get their real crazies (Tulsi Gabbard, Kristi Noem, etc.) to other positions. 

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There is always the consideration that this guy is cannon fodder to give the opposition something to waste their time on and so they get their real crazies (Tulsi Gabbard, Kristi Noem, etc.) to other positions. 

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You spend a lot of time on social media during work hours.

 

 

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  On 11/12/2024 at 5:46 PM, gehringer_2 said:

No socialization of cost, privatization of revenue.

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That ship sailed long, long ago, e.g., new stadiums for major league sports. Now this approach will be applied to everything once thought only a public institution. The Trump regime plans to starve cities and blue states of support at the federal level in order to redirect and pocket the tax revenue themselves instead. So, exit services maintained in the public interest by a democratically-elected government—enter privately-capitalized ventures such as tuition-only education subsidized only at the corporate level, and subscription-based police and fire service.

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