2024 Presidential Election thread

[Archie]

1 hour ago, LaceyLou said:

There are already people who have relatives here illegally, who are realizing that those relatives won't be exempt just because 'they're here to work, not commit crimes.' And there will be more of them later.

What's even worse? Some of them did interviews on why they voted for T, and told about these relatives. Nice job-you just outed the people you claim to love.

There is a legal process for people to come to the US to work.  If they didn’t follow the process and the law then I have no sympathy for them.  Come to the US legally or be deported  - simple as that. That should include everyone, even grandma.  There are too many people in the world that want to harm us and the security of the US and its citizens should be the priority no matter how many feelings get hurt.

[Edman85]

5 minutes ago, Archie said:

There is a legal process for people to come to the US to work.  If they didn’t follow the process and the law then I have no sympathy for them.  Come to the US legally or be deported  - simple as that. That should include everyone, even grandma.  There are too many people in the world that want to harm us and the security of the US and its citizens should be the priority no matter how many feelings get hurt.

Can you detail that process please? I want to make sure you understand it fully.

[Sports_Freak]

1 hour ago, LaceyLou said:

There are already people who have relatives here illegally, who are realizing that those relatives won't be exempt just because 'they're here to work, not commit crimes.' And there will be more of them later.

What's even worse? Some of them did interviews on why they voted for T, and told about these relatives. Nice job-you just outed the people you claim to love.

There's another side to this that many people really don't understand. Many of these people, whether legal or not, pay into social security and aren't eligible to ever collect. Throwing them out of the country will bankrupt social security very quickly. And...many of them also pay local taxes that keeps cities solvent. I really hope Donald's talk of rounding them up and deporting them is just more of his lies. People <think> inflation was/is bad while America recovered from Trumps pandemic? They haven't seen what his policies will do, the damage to our country is unimaginable. Between the tariffs and deporting workers, his plans will destroy our economy.

[Edman85]

That Jay Cha...whateverthe****... the guy who led up that Anti-COVID precaution physician group is being tabbed for NIH.

[chasfh]

15 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I was thinking the same thing. It's fitting that a convicted rapist like Tyson would support Trump. 

All criminals support Trump. Trump loves his own.

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

There's a new population that didn't know Donny Trump was a bald faced liar? And now they're upset he lied? Welcome to the club, there will be many more coming to that realization in the coming months;

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/muslims-who-voted-trump-upset-by-his-pro-israel-cabinet-picks-2024-11-15/

 

They’re disappointed because they are ****ing dumbasses for their stupid wishful thinking.

[chasfh]

45 minutes ago, Archie said:

This is more fear mongering.  You don’t know that Trump won’t remove the tax on SS and tipping.  He said he would and this is a big thing for a lot of people so I think he will try to get it done.  If it doesn’t happen it will be more likely that he tried to get it passed and democrats voted it down or able to stop it. 

Trump doesn’t have to do **** on Social Security, except raise the vesting age on it and then defund it, because Trump doesn’t need those working class people and their votes anymore. He’s in power now, and he ain’t never leaving again unless he’s ragged out violently or assassinated. The only possible way he might need working class people anymore is if he think needs a militia to do some violence on his behalf, although now that he’ll have a standing army he can use on American soil, he probably won’t even need militias anymore.

[chasfh]

44 minutes ago, Archie said:

There is a legal process for people to come to the US to work.  If they didn’t follow the process and the law then I have no sympathy for them.  Come to the US legally or be deported  - simple as that. That should include everyone, even grandma.  There are too many people in the world that want to harm us and the security of the US and its citizens should be the priority no matter how many feelings get hurt.

Most of those people in the world who want to harm us and the security of the US and its citizens are already here. A lot of them will be working in Trump’s government, as well as in various red state governments.

[chasfh]

39 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Can you detail that process please? I want to make sure you understand it fully.

Your time is better spent not trying to pin down trolls.

[CMRivdogs]

57 minutes ago, Archie said:

This is more fear mongering.  You don’t know that Trump won’t remove the tax on SS and tipping.  He said he would and this is a big thing for a lot of people so I think he will try to get it done.  If it doesn’t happen it will be more likely that he tried to get it passed and democrats voted it down or able to stop it. 

He has majorities in both houses of Congress and the Supreme Court in his pocket. Please explain to me like a third grader how it won't pass if he wants it.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Anti-vax conspiracy theorist and our new HHS Director is going to cause generations of mistrust on vaccines. This may be the worst of all Trump's appointments. 

“I see somebody on a hiking trail carrying a little baby and I say to him, better not get them vaccinated.”- Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

[chasfh]

7 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Anti-vax conspiracy theorist and our new HHS Director is going to cause generations of mistrust on vaccines. This may be the worst of all Trump's appointments. 

Not just Kennedy, but Hesketh, Gaetz, Noem, Tulsi, Huckabee, Leon, Ramiswamey, Miller—they’re all equally the worst.

It’s clear as can be from these appointments alone that Trump’s goal is to destroy the American government from within and remake it in his image alone. The only thing we can hope for is the same kind of gross incompetence that characterized his first administration.

Edited 1 hour ago by chasfh

[CMRivdogs]

Here's a look at how difficult it will be for DOGE to make significant cuts...

https://www.axios.com/2024/11/16/elon-musk-trump-department-government-efficiency

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Stare at the budget numbers and you see how little room Musk has to maneuver, Jim and Mike write.

In fiscal year 2023, the federal government spent just over $6 trillion, equating to $18,406 per person.

This spending was 38% higher than the revenue collected, resulting in a once-unfathomable $1.7 trillion deficit. The budget covers the pay for roughly 5 million federal employees, including civilian jobs, military personnel and postal workers.

The easiest money to cut is the discretionary spending we mentioned above. But it's less than 30% of the total budget — and half of it goes to defense, which members of Congress would rush to protect.

💰 Lots of people over the years have identified absurd spending or bureaucratic walls — but presidents and Congress simply let them stand. AI might help. But reality is the biggest obstacle. The vast majority of spending goes to:

Social Security: This popular program eats up 20-25% of total federal spending. It supports retirees, disabled individuals, and survivors. Trump has promised to never cut it. In fact, he wants to eliminate taxes on benefits, which would increase the deficit.

Health care: Think Medicare (for seniors) and Medicaid (for low-income individuals). This is another 25% of the budget. Trump has promised to protect Medicare and a lot of his working-class base benefits from these programs.

Defense: The Defense Department and related military spending constitute about 13-15% of the federal budget. Republicans typically want more defense spending, not less. And it's hard to see the shift to space-based warfare costing less.

Interest on the national debt: This one sucks the most for America because you get nothing in return. Interest payments are growing rapidly, now around 8-10% of federal spending. The only way to save money here is to radically cut the debt. Trump's agenda does the opposite.

Safety-net programs: Programs like food benefits (SNAP), unemployment insurance and housing assistance collectively make up about 10%. Trump won with the support of people who get these benefits, so cuts could be a hard sell.

💼 Case in point: The expense for entitlement programs goes almost entirely to the benefits themselves, not any administrative bloat involved in issuing checks. For example, the administrative cost of Social Security is only about 0.5% of outlays, $7.2 billion last year, Neil Irwin points out.

So even if somehow you magically cut that in half, you've only cut $3.6 billion in spending — trivial in the context of the federal budget.

And if that streamlining resulted in even a few seniors not getting their monthly benefits, there'd be holy hell to pay politically.

What to watch: The aspiration of trillions of dollars of savings will run headlong into the unspoken governing theory of both parties: It's easier and more popular to give than to take away.

 

Maybe if some of these billionaires paid their fair share. 
BTW...has anyone checked to verify if Musk is in this country legally, or did he get his visas on false pretenses?

[Sports_Freak]

53 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Trump doesn’t have to do **** on Social Security, except raise the vesting age on it and then defund it, because Trump doesn’t need those working class people and their votes anymore. He’s in power now, and he ain’t never leaving again unless he’s ragged out violently or assassinated. The only possible way he might need working class people anymore is if he think needs a militia to do some violence on his behalf, although now that he’ll have a standing army he can use on American soil, he probably won’t even need militias anymore.

The US military doesn't have to follow illegal orders. They take an oath to the constitution, not an individual. 

[Sports_Freak]

Democrats need to show some backbone and fight back. I'm not sure how accurate this is but it sounds like it would be a nice start;

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/16/democrats-resistance-trump-agenda?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-1

[LaceyLou]

Is anybody following Leopards ate my face on bluesky? I can't decided if it's funny, sad, or infuriating.

[LaceyLou]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Your time is better spent not trying to pin down trolls.

QFT.

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Most of those people in the world who want to harm us and the security of the US and its citizens are already here. A lot of them will be working in Trump’s government, as well as in various red state governments.

One of them might be President.  

[Sports_Freak]

17 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

Is anybody following Leopards ate my face on bluesky? I can't decided if it's funny, sad, or infuriating.

I just read their page. I guess I'll stock up on Maxwell House...

[Edman85]

1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Anti-vax conspiracy theorist and our new HHS Director is going to cause generations of mistrust on vaccines. This may be the worst of all Trump's appointments. 

“I see somebody on a hiking trail carrying a little baby and I say to him, better not get them vaccinated.”- Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

In fairness to Brain Worm Head, March isn't summer.

[Edman85]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Your time is better spent not trying to pin down trolls.

Why I asked him for the details instead of providing them.

[chasfh]

44 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

One of them might be President.  

You'd've probably gotten more likes had you said "is" instead.

[Tiger337]

11 minutes ago, chasfh said:

You'd've probably gotten more likes had you said "is" instead.

My feeling is that he is not deliberately trying to harm the country.  He doesn't give a **** about the country.  He only cares about himself.