2024 Presidential Election thread

[1776]

3 minutes ago, oblong said:

  You base your opinions on boilerplate bullet points that sound good on bumper stickers attached to a jacked up F 350 with 3 dozen Trump flags on it... but in the real word....

 

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[mtutiger]

4 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Under the old definition of conservatives yes, nowadays ????

Conservatism is basically a post-modern concept these days for sure

[chasfh]

29 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

This is where I come from concerning school funding and guidelines I believe we're about the same age and have been there. 
Leaving the decisions to the states and localities would deepen the divide in education quality between urban and rural areas. The rich communities and counties would get richer, while the inner cities and rural districts would end up fighting for scraps. Finding less funding fewer resources, less support for teachers, administrators and students.

I'm very much against any public funding (state, federal or local) going to private institutions. Let's go back to the days that if a church or educational corporation wants to fund a school so be it. But don't take away my taxpayer money to fund your private school.

 

As three wise men in a collective called Rush once opined, "We need someone to talk to and someone to sweep the floors."

That's how our educational system has been and will continue trending: one system for people of means to train their children to become critical thinkers and the leaders of the future; and the other for people to learn just enough so they can run the machines, do the paperwork, and sweep the floors.

[CMRivdogs]

8 minutes ago, chasfh said:

As three wise men in a collective called Rush once opined, "We need someone to talk to and someone to sweep the floors."

That's how our educational system has been and will continue trending: one system for people of means to train their children to become critical thinkers and the leaders of the future; and the other for people to learn just enough so they can run the machines, do the paperwork, and sweep the floors.

As someone a bit removed from current school systems I have one question. Do they still have shop class anymore? 
 

Once again, the only qualm I have with what I perceive of the current setup is that I don't want my tax (state, local, and federal) dollars to fund The First Church of Whatever, or Hoity Toity Private School For People who think their superior? I want my money to go exclusively to the "We will cater to anyone" public school system.

And yes you may have a choice, but if you prefer an upgrade it comes out of your pocket not mine.

 

[Dan Gilmore]

1 hour ago, 1776 said:

…always with the name calling and/or innuendos.  

I don’t agree with your perspective on this topic. However, I don’t feel as though I need to attack YOU personally as a result to make a point. 

I believe the DOE should be abolished and the dollars stay with the states. Clearly, there would be more oversight of the expenditures and without question, efficiencies would have to improve. It can’t happen overnight and there will be some areas that would have to be settled on as how a completed transition would conclude. 

Your statement using the word “Clearly” and the words “without question..” are just your opinions, yet you present them as if they are known facts. Kind of like your dismissal of Harris as not a valid candidate. She got about 1.5% less votes than Trump. Your opinion of her validity says more to me about your prejudice than about her abilities. 

[Screwball]

4 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

As someone a bit removed from current school systems I have one question. Do they still have shop class anymore? 
 

Once again, the only qualm I have with what I perceive of the current setup is that I don't want my tax (state, local, and federal) dollars to fund The First Church of Whatever, or Hoity Toity Private School For People who think their superior? I want my money to go exclusively to the "We will cater to anyone" public school system.

And yes you may have a choice, but if you prefer an upgrade it comes out of your pocket not mine.

 

Around here, no.  Shop class, and what used to be called home ec, has been outsourced to vocational schools. Many offer shop type classes with machining, welding, robotics. There is also carpentry, auto body and mechanics courses, along with some medical and cosmetology and hair salon stuff. As a few examples.

It sounds good on paper as they offer these skills for those who are not interested in college prep courses. The local school I taught at was fueled by 14 different public school districts in this part of the state. There is little learning going on there. It is complete joke. Kids come to school and play video games and play on their phone. The administration is a complete and utter joke.

They are good at PR but bad at education. But then again, you can only work with what you have. If little Johnny and sister Jessica have parents who doesn't stress education - then you are behind the curve before you even start. But in general it was widespread ineptness on the part of the administration. Plenty of wasted money too. And they have no answer for those boondoggles either.

[romad1]

20 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

As someone a bit removed from current school systems I have one question. Do they still have shop class anymore? 
 

Once again, the only qualm I have with what I perceive of the current setup is that I don't want my tax (state, local, and federal) dollars to fund The First Church of Whatever, or Hoity Toity Private School For People who think their superior? I want my money to go exclusively to the "We will cater to anyone" public school system.

And yes you may have a choice, but if you prefer an upgrade it comes out of your pocket not mine.

 

Yes, even in the high performance Fairfax Public Schools the shop, automotive and other voc-ed programs are a thing.

[1776]

15 minutes ago, Dan Gilmore said:

Your statement using the word “Clearly” and the words “without question..” are just your opinions, yet you present them as if they are known facts. Kind of like your dismissal of Harris as not a valid candidate. She got about 1.5% less votes than Trump. Your opinion of her validity says more to me about your prejudice than about her abilities. 

I said Harris was not a VIABLE candidate. I didn’t say she wasn’t a VALID candidate. Don’t let “your prejudice” fog your thought process. 

[CMRivdogs]

I just went looking, the JCC/Williamsburg schools seem to have an interesting array of courses.

https://wjccschools.org/academics/curriculum/career-technical-education/

 

[1776]

Ask not what your DOE can do for you, rather, ask what you can do for your DOE.

https://edworkforce.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=408471

 

[Tiger337]

2 hours ago, 1776 said:

…always with the name calling and/or innuendos.  

I don’t agree with your perspective on this topic. However, I don’t feel as though I need to attack YOU personally as a result to make a point. 

I believe the DOE should be abolished and the dollars stay with the states. Clearly, there would be more oversight of the expenditures and without question, efficiencies would have to improve. It can’t happen overnight and there will be some areas that would have to be settled on as how a completed transition would conclude. 

That sounds good at first glance, but wouldn't that give an unfair to students living in wealthy states which are typically more blue than red?  It seems like letting states spend money as they please will just widen the divisions between haves and have nots.  

[LaceyLou]

3 hours ago, chasfh said:

You and I are old enough to refer to the late 1970s in terms of “as recent as”, while most people alive today refer to it as literally ancient history.

I occasionally have to remind myself how long ago the 1970s that I lived through and totally remember is by remembering that when I was in my 20s, the 1930s was a long ago as the 1970s is today, and in no way would I have thought of anything that happened during the 1930s as being any flavor of “recent”.

One thing I read recently that made me stop and think was that there are still people alive who knew people born into slavery. 

The 1990s seem like a long time ago to me, even though it's when I came of age, so I can understand people looking back at the 1970s and thinking of them as the 'olden days.'

[Tigeraholic1]

54 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Yes, even in the high performance Fairfax Public Schools the shop, automotive and other voc-ed programs are a thing.

Translate: We have programs for the dumb kids too.

[LaceyLou]

2 hours ago, oblong said:

it's basically what the conservative movement has always been about.  Those at the bottom can screw off and fend for themselves.  Let's not help people who require it.  Have a disability?  **** you.  Have autism?  **** you.  Have an injury or other issue that prevents you from working?  **** you.  Deaf or blind?  **** you.  Born to parents who maybe can't read very well or are not tech savy?  **** you.   

Life and society should be tailored to everybody who is at 100% function and **** everybody else, that's too expensive, we can't afford it, i mean we can, but we gotta make sure people get a 18.6% return on their investment instead of 17% and we gotta build all that military equipment.

 

  

And then people wonder why others think they're heartless. Go figure.

 

[CMRivdogs]

1 minute ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Translate: We have programs for the dumb kids too.

If the shoe fits….

 

[Tigeraholic1]

4 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

If the shoe fits….

 

And you wonder why the left has lost the working class.

[Tiger337]

6 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Translate: We have programs for the dumb kids too.

How about programs for kids with good technical and vocational skills? Or programs for studens who could do well in the arts and sciences if they wanted, but they are more motivated in other areas?  

[LaceyLou]

1 minute ago, Tiger337 said:

How about programs for kids with good technical and vocational skills? Or programs for studens who could do well in the arts and sciences if they wanted, but they are more motivated in other areas?  

Yes, it's definitely telling that people automatically think that those who are good with their hands can't possibly have the ability and/or desire to study anything else (or that book smart people can't be good with their hands, for that matter). 

And I'm glad to see that a high performing school offers both, because it means that it recognizes that both are important. 

 

[CMRivdogs]

8 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

And you wonder why the left has lost the working class.

While you Trumpers are working overtime to destroy it

[CMRivdogs]

8 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

How about programs for kids with good technical and vocational skills? Or programs for studens who could do well in the arts and sciences if they wanted, but they are more motivated in other areas?  

Out of likes, exactly. Not everyone or every career needs a degree. Wasn’t that at one time a conservative thought?

[Tigeraholic1]

4 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

How about programs for kids with good technical and vocational skills? Or programs for studens who could do well in the arts and sciences if they wanted, but they are more motivated in other areas?  

My kids school partners with ABC CONSTRUCTION PREP ACADEMY They are all over the country and growing. you go to the school for half a day jr/sr year. They teach you all sorts of trades your Jr year then you intern with a company after a interview process that summer. Sr. year you pick a direction and begin specializing in that direction. . After you graduate you have a full-time job offer and a sigining day like a sports player with your new company and parents. By the time you 22 you can obtain your journeyman license and can work anywhere in the country and it will be accepted. Indiana has a scholarship program so it is no cost to parents This is funded by the trade unions who need young talent to replace the boomers who are retiring. Imagine being 22 debt free and making 50K+ a year.

[Tigeraholic1]

7 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Out of likes, exactly. Not everyone or every career needs a degree. Wasn’t that at one time a conservative thought?

it still is, the left have the softest hands in the country. Not a calloused hand in the bunch.

[CMRivdogs]

11 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

My kids school partners with ABC CONSTRUCTION PREP ACADEMY They are all over the country and growing. you go to the school for half a day jr/sr year. They teach you all sorts of trades your Jr year then you intern with a company after an interview process that summer. Sr. year you pick a direction and begin specializing in that direction. . After you graduate you have a full-time job offer and a sigining day like a sports player with your new company and parents. By the time you 22 you can obtain your journeyman license and can work anywhere in the country and it will be accepted. Indiana has a scholarship program so it is no cost to parents This is funded by the trade unions who need young talent to replace the boomers who are retiring. Imagine being 22 debt free and making 50K+ a year.

Sounds like the old DECA programs back when dinosaurs roamed in the late ‘60s. When you could make a good living in retail. 
BTW, my wife loves my soft hands. That’s all that matters to me.

[CMRivdogs]

12 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

it still is, the left have the softest hands in the country. Not a calloused hand in the bunch.

You need to troll better. Very weak responses. 
 

Come on man step it up, be creative. You write like a White Sox fan

[Tigeraholic1]

17 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

You need to troll better. Very weak responses. 
 

Come on man step it up, be creative. You write like a White Sox fan

I was just stating a fact. The left wants men to be able to pee in the girls room. Like this is a big issue for them... The right just wants to work, make a living and not have their kids shipped of to war. Change is coming really quick though, buckle up buttercup! 🙂