2024 Presidential Election thread

[Mr.TaterSalad]

48 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Mace is a rape survivor. I see no one even acknowledges that. Maybe she does not like the idea of a man being in a room without cameras and locking stall doors. A man pretending to be a woman overrides an actual woman’s right to pee with just women.

I acknowledge the sexual assault of all women who were raped and violated and feel for each one of them. It is a horrific experience I cannot truly know. Nancy Mace, Juanita Broaddrick, Christine Blasey-Ford, and on deserve to have their stories heard.

If Mace is worried about trans men using a women's bathroom and vice versa then maybe she could start by not voting for a man who was convicted in a civil trial of sexual assault himself. Why did she vote for a man who was found guilty of rape if that is her primary concern?

[mtutiger]

14 minutes ago, Screwball said:

A year or so ago our college changed the signs on the restrooms to "Men" and "Gender Exclusive." Last year about this time, a late afternoon class, so not as many at the school in our wing, I had a women who was around 50 I'm guessing. We were walking out around 6:45 and she told me she wanted to go to the bathroom before she had to drive all the way home, but was afraid to go in the bathroom.

What do you tell her?

Go to the bathroom, it will be OK?

Edited November 23, 2024 by mtutiger

[romad1]

The restrooms at work are frequently closed because the cleaning person won't clean while its occupied.  Meanwhile many other places around the World they just go in and clean around you no matter the gender. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

At the micro level (ie. not considering how we differ on actual policy), most all of us want the same things out of our lives as those we disagree with on this stuff.

I don't think so. I definitely don't want the same things out of life that a hardcore religious, Christian Nationalist conservative wants out of their life. I'm not that religious and don't think that my atheist-adjacent views should be pushed on everyone, nor am I trying to legislate atheism. Christian Nationalists want women put in their place and want only men and women to be able to marry. They want every child in school subjugated to their religious beliefs and theirs alone. They want dry counties and people to dress as modestly as possible. I want none of that.

Edited November 23, 2024 by Mr.TaterSalad

[mtutiger]

2 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I don't think so. I definitely don't want the same things out of life that a hardcore religious, Christian Nationalist conservative wants out of their life. I'm not that religious and don't think that my atheist-adjacent views should be pushed on everyone, nor am I trying to legislate atheism. Christian Nationalists want women put in their place and want only men and women to be able to marry. They want every child in school subjugated to their religious beliefs and theirs alone. They want dry counties and people to dress as modestly as possible. I want none of that.

This is all macro level...

[smr-nj]

24 minutes ago, Screwball said:

A year or so ago our college changed the signs on the restrooms to "Men" and "Gender Exclusive." Last year about this time, a late afternoon class, so not as many at the school in our wing, I had a women who was around 50 I'm guessing. We were walking out around 6:45 and she told me she wanted to go to the bathroom before she had to drive all the way home, but was afraid to go in the bathroom.

What do you tell her?

That You’ll wait outside for her if she’d feel better?  

[mtutiger]

11 minutes ago, romad1 said:

The restrooms at work are frequently closed because the cleaning person won't clean while its occupied.  Meanwhile many other places around the World they just go in and clean around you no matter the gender. 

This is all such a big moral panic. Again, a non-trans male could easily breach any restroom at any Walmart or Target in the United States without being noticed, and yet because of how ****ty our politicians are (particularly the one soon to be inaugurated), here we are arguing over this as if it's the most pressing issue facing the United States right now.

Has there been a single documented case of a trans person accosting someone in a restroom? Has there been one? It's an honest question, but would not be surprised if the number is zero or very close to it.

Edited November 23, 2024 by mtutiger

[Tigermojo]

There's always someone to be wary of. The transgender person or the illegal immigrant or the scary black man. Pay no attention to the greedy guy who is willing to tread all over people in his pursuit of wealth. That's the person who is willing to do some sinning and tries to misdirect attention to innocent people.

[Tigeraholic1]

52 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I acknowledge the sexual assault of all women who were raped and violated and feel for each one of them. It is a horrific experience I cannot truly know. Nancy Mace, Juanita Broaddrick, Christine Blasey-Ford, and on deserve to have their stories heard.

If Mace is worried about trans men using a women's bathroom and vice versa then maybe she could start by not voting for a man who was convicted in a civil trial of sexual assault himself. Why did she vote for a man who was found guilty of rape if that is her primary concern?

Is Trump trying to use the women’s room? Why all the deflection? This is about a woman standing up for her rights. 
 

I am told a baby is not a baby in the womb because, science. Yet a man is not a man because, we will it.

[oblong]

48 minutes ago, romad1 said:

The restrooms at work are frequently closed because the cleaning person won't clean while its occupied.  Meanwhile many other places around the World they just go in and clean around you no matter the gender. 

That was common in Aruba. I mean… it happened to me twice. Once at the resort and off site.  

[mtutiger]

18 minutes ago, Tigermojo said:

There's always someone to be wary of. The transgender person or the illegal immigrant or the scary black man. Pay no attention to the greedy guy who is willing to tread all over people in his pursuit of wealth. That's the person who is willing to do some sinning and tries to misdirect attention to innocent people.

In the early 20th century, it was the Italians, Poles and other Eastern Europeans.... it was the Germans before them, and then the Irish before them. 

In terms of being amongst the 'other', being gay was unforgivable until not long ago.... 50-60 years ago, people could marry people outside of their race. We had the "red scare" back in the 1950s. And obviously our history with Civil Rights and Women's Suffrage...

I love this country, and we have a history of figuring this stuff out in the end.... but the struggles are all very predictable. Because we do it to ourselves over and over again.

[mtutiger]

7 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Is Trump trying to use the women’s room? Why all the deflection? This is about a woman standing up for her rights. 

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

Mace is also a performance artist whose entire MO since entering Congress is finding new ways to draw attention to herself. It's hilarious to see how people will wrap themselves around the axle going after the Eric Swalwell types in the D Party who will then turn around and take Nancy Mace at face value.... they are literally cut from the same cloth.

It's horrible that she had to endure being raped; it just doesn't change the nature of who she is and the persona she has cultivated in her official capacity. And criticism of that is completely fair game.

[mtutiger]

If someone is a rape victim but believes that the Holocaust didn't happen.... does that mean that that person's opinion should just be accepted at face value, no questions asked?

Just trying to follow the logic here... someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[gehringer_2]

54 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

If someone is a rape victim but believes that the Holocaust didn't happen.... does that mean that that person's opinion should just be accepted at face value, no questions asked?

Just trying to follow the logic here... someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Yeah - the 'validation by past trial' is always losing logic. You have to keep proving your bona fides every day no matter who you are. What they say on the Street applies pretty generally: Past results not a guarantee of future performance.

[LaceyLou]

As a survivor of rape and CSA myself.... I don't care if a trans person uses the bathroom with me. 

[CMRivdogs]

If one actually bothered to do a search, one would find that based on several studies (including crime reports) trangender individuals are more likely to be assaulted in restrooms than "natural women". This includes harassment, intimidation and assult.

[chasfh]

11 hours ago, Edman85 said:

I'll never forget the person I knew growing up ranting and raving about trans people being a threat to her children on Facebook, but her husband is in "the registry." Super bible thumpery.

So much bible-thumping is a cover that it’s hard not to wonder, if not assume, any time you see it. Any time a business puts Jesus right in their marketing materials, I stay away because it makes me wonder whether it’s a cover to rip off sweet, gullible believers.

[mtutiger]

29 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

If one actually bothered to do a search, one would find that based on several studies (including crime reports) trangender individuals are more likely to be assaulted in restrooms than "natural women". This includes harassment, intimidation and assult.

Would hazard a educated guess that transgendered individuals are more likely to be assaulted in every setting compared to  those who aren't.

Edited November 23, 2024 by mtutiger

[romad1]

9 hours ago, oblong said:

That was common in Aruba. I mean… it happened to me twice. Once at the resort and off site.  

"I am a student at a small midwestern college and I never thought I'd have a story to send to your publication but..."

[romad1]

47 minutes ago, chasfh said:

So much bible-thumping is a cover that it’s hard not to wonder, if not assume, any time you see it. Any time a business puts Jesus right in their marketing materials, I stay away because it makes me wonder whether it’s a cover to rip off sweet, gullible believers.

CONCURIDELIC!  That would be an iron clad rule with me as well.  The other is too much patriotic heraldry in their ads.  I'm also a huge opponent of anything that skews the commercial with the civic. The best example of that is Mission BBQ which (dunno if that hit Michigan or where you live chasfh) its a veteran-owned business.  They love to wrap themselves in the idea that they are supporting "the mission" which is what?  

When I was on active duty the mission was to defend the NATO border with the Warsaw Pact and destroy the Red Army should there be conflict.  When I was doing counter-terrorism "the mission" was preventing another 9/11 and finding who was responsible for 9/11. 

So, how is that particular mission supported by eating sticky meat?   Is it because making these particular veterans rich is somehow the mission? 

[CMRivdogs]

18 minutes ago, romad1 said:

CONCURIDELIC!  That would be an iron clad rule with me as well.  The other is too much patriotic heraldry in their ads.  I'm also a huge opponent of anything that skews the commercial with the civic. The best example of that is Mission BBQ which (dunno if that hit Michigan or where you live chasfh) its a veteran-owned business.  They love to wrap themselves in the idea that they are supporting "the mission" which is what?  

When I was on active duty the mission was to defend the NATO border with the Warsaw Pact and destroy the Red Army should there be conflict.  When I was doing counter-terrorism "the mission" was preventing another 9/11 and finding who was responsible for 9/11. 

So, how is that particular mission supported by eating sticky meat?   Is it because making these particular veterans rich is somehow the mission? 

MBBQ does give out "free" sandwiches to veterans once a week. From their website 

Quote

After traveling our great country in search of the nation's best BBQ, we felt inspired to bring this great food home. Especially for those who protect us all, the hard-workers who get it done every day, the home teams we cheer for, and of course, family and friends

Living where I do, there are many much better and less expensive BBQ joints that are extremely active in the community and are locally owned, not franchised. 
I support their mission

[Tigeraholic1]

Now we are attacking Mission BBQ? What did they do wrong? The grievances never end.

[CMRivdogs]

6 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Now we are attacking Mission BBQ? What did they do wrong? The grievances never end.

 No attacks, I've eaten there. Pedestrian food from a chain. I prefer good southern pit cooked BBQ from locally owned companies. 
 

How much $$$ from their sales actually goes to veteran causes. Their website doesn't mention it. Sorry, I'm not a flag waver. Sue me

[romad1]

20 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

 No attacks, I've eaten there. Pedestrian food from a chain. I prefer good southern pit cooked BBQ from locally owned companies. 
 

How much $$$ from their sales actually goes to veteran causes. Their website doesn't mention it. Sorry, I'm not a flag waver. Sue me

shack! Fire for effect!  

[Tiger337]

11 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Is Trump trying to use the women’s room? Why all the deflection? This is about a woman standing up for her rights. 
 

 

Trump has publicly bragged about walking through beauty pageant restrooms while young women were in there.  He said it was OK because he owned the pageant.  So, the threat of him going into a woman's restroom seems legitimate.