2024 Presidential Election thread

[Kacie]

If you say you're afraid of Sarah McBride because of an assault in high school, but not of actual men like Matt Gaetz who preys on teen girls, Brett Kavanaugh, who sexually assaulted a teenager in high school or Donald Trump who publicly stated he likes to leer at naked young girls, sit down and shut the **** up.  Not only is at insult to sexual assault victims to use her experience for a political stunt, but she's putting actual vulnerable human beings who are already at high risk for attacks even more at risk.  Deplorable.  

[Screwball]

21 hours ago, smr-nj said:

That You’ll wait outside for her if she’d feel better?  

This is the correct answer, but I did her one better.

Hello! This is the janitor, anyone in there? Hang on...Nobody in there. You are safe, I'll be right outside.

She was grateful.

I've had ex-cons and felons in my class. You can never be to safe, or too careful. I exposed a potential person last year, and he got thrown out. She has every right to be afraid.

[mtutiger]

How many callouses on these hands?

[CMRivdogs]

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Remember, it’s okay for radio, cable, local news, newspapers, podcasts, youtube, facebook, and twitter to be right wing echo chambers. But IT IS NOT OKAY for a new app that’s starting to gain traction to be a left wing echo chamber. NO NO NO NOT FAIR!

 

[mtutiger]

7 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Also. always look beyond the AI summary on anything....

Really accurate just stopping there....

Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I like reading things for myself and not just letting AI do all the work.

[mtutiger]

22 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

 

https://awfulannouncing.com/twitter/mina-kimes-denies-bluesky-liberal-echo-chamber.html

The whole piece is interesting (and should probably listen to the podcast that Kimes did that it references), but I found the point made by Mina Kimes of ESPN to be really on point:

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“So much of the discussion about these two platforms and the exodus and what people are looking for and echo chambers, is about politics,” Kimes added. “It’s not political at all … (it) is the engagement farming, (it) is that people are now using it to make money in the lowest ways. It is all either rage bait, engagement bait, misinformation. It’s the lowest common denominator.”

I think for a lot of non-political actors (ie. people in the sports world or other areas of interest) who rely on social media, the rage bait, engagement bait and misinformation of X really inhibits their work and explains some of the departures.

That's the part that I don't think the Nate Silver types get.... a lot of sports journalists would like to generate content without engendering all the ancillary bull**** (ie. bots, incendiary commenters, etc.) that comes with maintaining a Twitter account these days. It's nothing more than a market shift, capitalism at work.

[mtutiger]

The other part of this is that a lot of "Politics Twitter" types have a network and brand that is heavily reliant on that social media network and it's viability, and the decline of that app is bad for business for these folks.

So there's probably a bit of motivated reasoning involved in their framing of why people might abandon the app. Something worth thinking about

[gehringer_2]

32 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

The other part of this is that a lot of "Politics Twitter" types have a network and brand that is heavily reliant on that social media network and it's viability, and the decline of that app is bad for business for these folks.

So there's probably a bit of motivated reasoning involved in their framing of why people might abandon the app. Something worth thinking about

bingo

[smr-nj]

3 hours ago, Screwball said:

This is the correct answer, but I did her one better.

Hello! This is the janitor, anyone in there? Hang on...Nobody in there. You are safe, I'll be right outside.

She was grateful.

I've had ex-cons and felons in my class. You can never be to safe, or too careful. I exposed a potential person last year, and he got thrown out. She has every right to be afraid.

Screwball, every woman has that concern, regardless if there are ex-cons or felons.  It’s oftentimes the cute guy next door that can be just as frightening. 
it’s any dark corridor. It’s any deserted parking lot or street. It’s an empty elevator or stairwell.

All demand caution, but again, it’s in no way warranted to equate a trans person in a bathroom with a sexual predator in a bathroom.
It’s just not.  

[oblong]

I’ve decided to stay on twitter, for sports purposes, because I feel like some people get a valuable kinship with others and without specifically knowing them jn real life I get the sense that the outlet is vey therapeutic and meaningful for them.  If my presence can make them feel connected and bring them joy then so be it. Elon isn’t getting rich off my meager engagements but others might be in a different sense. Mental health is important and being connected to like minded people goes a long way.   I don’t want politics to ruin that.  Your feed is what you make of it.  

[Edman85]

6 hours ago, oblong said:

I’ve decided to stay on twitter, for sports purposes, because I feel like some people get a valuable kinship with others and without specifically knowing them jn real life I get the sense that the outlet is vey therapeutic and meaningful for them.  If my presence can make them feel connected and bring them joy then so be it. Elon isn’t getting rich off my meager engagements but others might be in a different sense. Mental health is important and being connected to like minded people goes a long way.   I don’t want politics to ruin that.  Your feed is what you make of it.  

There's a few accounts who haven't transferred over. I'm keeping it alive for now, but Elon/DOGE has me weary of him having any of my data, so come mid December I may re-start the deactivation process.

[romad1]

15 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

We had an early "Famous Dave's" in Minneapolis that was better than anything currently available in A^2. But I don't know if FD's has maintained their standards as they've grown, most places don't.

For years in A^2 a one old dude ran a tiny hole in the wall with one smoker in a little shack that was probably once a 1940's single island gas station at Kerrytown. Strictly carry out. But he eventually decided to retire and no-one wanted the business. They are now building a multistory bldg on the site (queue up the Joni Mitchell...). There have been a couple of BBQ places come and go in town since then but none seem to stick. Maybe BBQ is tough sell today with the Quinoa and Arugula crowd.

On the shortlist of places and times in the United States I would not go to seek out authentic BBQ is 21st century Ann Arbor, Michigan.  I can think of a few others: 

• San Francisco also 21st c.  When it was grittier and realer in the Clint Eastwood as Harry Callahan days...maybe
• Any of the major towns on the Maine downeast coast ever.
• Amish country, Pennsylvania ever.

Waiting for contrary examples but...that was the top of my head list.

[romad1]

1 minute ago, romad1 said:

On the shortlist of places and times in the United States I would not go to seek out authentic BBQ is 21st century Ann Arbor, Michigan.  I can think of a few others: 

• San Francisco also 21st c.  When it was grittier and realer in the Clint Eastwood as Harry Callahan days...maybe
• Any of the major towns on the Maine downeast coast ever.
• Amish country, Pennsylvania ever.

Waiting for contrary examples but...that was the top of my head list.

The internet

https://maine.eater.com/maps/best-barbecue-maine-restaurants-bbq

https://amishbbqbarn.com/menu/

[Tigerbomb13]

16 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

We had an early "Famous Dave's" in Minneapolis that was better than anything currently available in A^2. But I don't know if FD's has maintained their standards as they've grown, most places don't.

For years in A^2 a one old dude ran a tiny hole in the wall with one smoker in a little shack that was probably once a 1940's single island gas station at Kerrytown. Strictly carry out. But he eventually decided to retire and no-one wanted the business. They are now building a multistory bldg on the site (queue up the Joni Mitchell...). There have been a couple of BBQ places come and go in town since then but none seem to stick. Maybe BBQ is tough sell today with the Quinoa and Arugula crowd.

Ricewood in A2 is very good. Besides that, not much in terms of BBQ.

[romad1]

BTW, huge fan of both Maine and SF when i've been there.  

Best story from visiting Acadia, National Park/Bar Harbor by boat.  We are on this amazing voyage looking at the most scenery-ific coastline.  Just breathtaking natural beauty.   So, the guy behind me on the boat is telling the guy next to him his life story of being an addiction counselor in Bangor.  He's just riffing off the worst stories of human depravity and degradation.   People would sell drugs in the parking lot of the treatment center.  Prostitutes who used to be pre-school teachers, etc.   Something like a 99% recidivism rate...just the horrors.  

I'm there with my young daughter by my side (prob about 12 at the time) and we are both glancing at each other as this guy keeps talking about the most depressing stuff while we are looking at the most wonderful scenery  and I'm just like, whatever. 

[Screwball]

10 hours ago, smr-nj said:

Screwball, every woman has that concern, regardless if there are ex-cons or felons.  It’s oftentimes the cute guy next door that can be just as frightening. 
it’s any dark corridor. It’s any deserted parking lot or street. It’s an empty elevator or stairwell.

All demand caution, but again, it’s in no way warranted to equate a trans person in a bathroom with a sexual predator in a bathroom.
It’s just not.  

I don't think I ever "equated" a trans person with a sexual predator, but go on with your insinuations. She might have in her mind. I don't know exactly why she was afraid to go in, but she was, and I didn't care why - I was put in a position to do address it.

Part of keeping our jobs it to take regular training on how to handle things in school, like safety, discrimination, bullying, medical emergencies, weather related evacuations, and even how to handle mass shootings. This training also includes how to help identify and spot potential issues and how to prevent them. Our job is keep everyone safe, no matter what their biases may be. And we must consider any and all circumstances.

You can't be too careful, and you can't ignore anything. People's biases be damned. This is a school. We know all the bad things that happen in schools. Maybe people should try it sometime before passing judgement on those who do.

[smr-nj]

2 minutes ago, Screwball said:

I don't think I ever "equated" a trans person with a sexual predator, but go on with your insinuations. She might have in her mind. I don't know exactly why she was afraid to go in, but she was, and I didn't care why - I was put in a position to do address it.

Part of keeping our jobs it to take regular training on how to handle things in school, like safety, discrimination, bullying, medical emergencies, weather related evacuations, and even how to handle mass shootings. This training also includes how to help identify and spot potential issues and how to prevent them. Our job is keep everyone safe, no matter what their biases may be. And we must consider any and all circumstances.

You can't be too careful, and you can't ignore anything. People's biases be damned. This is a school. We know all the bad things that happen in schools. Maybe people should try it sometime before passing judgement on those who do.

I’m not sure why you’re being so confrontational.  I was agreeing with much of what you said… but the conversation here has been with some who pretty clearly WERE equating the two.

And, btw, I taught for a few years also, so I most definitely know everything you listed in your second paragraph. 

[Kacie]

12 hours ago, smr-nj said:

Screwball, every woman has that concern, regardless if there are ex-cons or felons.  It’s oftentimes the cute guy next door that can be just as frightening. 
it’s any dark corridor. It’s any deserted parking lot or street. It’s an empty elevator or stairwell.

All demand caution, but again, it’s in no way warranted to equate a trans person in a bathroom with a sexual predator in a bathroom.
It’s just not.  

That's where the issue with Nancy Mace comes in.  She's allowed to have her fears and her concerns, as we all do, as unfounded and political as they are.  If we all legislated and passed workplace rules to eliminate every person who we may see as a threat, well, there'd be very few people in the workplace or out in public.  

Love me some Mina Kimes.  She's definitely my girl crush.  Deactivated twitter and really enjoying Bluesky.  Surprised at how many have moved over there.  I'm getting to read actual posts, in real time, no trolls, no bots.  My online stress level has gone down considerably.  

[chasfh]

On 11/23/2024 at 8:46 PM, mtutiger said:

Really accurate just stopping there....

Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I like reading things for myself and not just letting AI do all the work.

I don’t trust the AI information yet because, since it is a complete black box to me how it actually works, I think it can be manipulated, or at least misrepresented, by malign actors.

[chasfh]

On 11/23/2024 at 8:56 PM, mtutiger said:

That's the part that I don't think the Nate Silver types get.... a lot of sports journalists would like to generate content without engendering all the ancillary bull**** (ie. bots, incendiary commenters, etc.) that comes with maintaining a Twitter account these days. It's nothing more than a market shift, capitalism at work.

It just goes to prove that the biggest threat to successful capitalists is actual capitalism.

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

It just goes to prove that the biggest threat to successful capitalists is actual capitalism.

In one way it's bad that Marx is so out of fashion, because the truth of the basic critique that unfettered capitalism is politically unstable in the long run has been lost from Western socioeconomic thinking. Like a lot of social critics, the fact that Marx's solutions were wrong didn't mean his analysis of some of the issues were wrong. In the proximity of Marxism, people like FDR saw Capitalism's threat to itself much more clearly then we do today. There are some out there picking up the message, but not enough.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

In one way it's bad that Marx is so out of fashion, because the truth of the basic critique that unfettered capitalism is politically unstable in the long run has been lost from Western socioeconomic thinking. Like a lot of social critics, the fact that Marx's solutions were wrong didn't mean his analysis of some of the issues were wrong. In the proximity of Marxism, people like FDR saw Capitalism's threat to itself much more clearly then we do today. There are some out there picking up the message, but not enough.

I think there are lots of people who see capitalisms threat to itself today. I think that's what Elizabeth Warren's entire Presidential campaign was based on. Unlike Bernie, who isn't a capitalist or at least won't identify as such, Warren is and does. Warren's built an entire political career about regulating and reigning in the excesses of capitalism. She would have been one of the finest and smartest Presidents we ever had if she had gotten elected. Warren would have been Teddy meets FDR meets her entirely new values system. The trust busting of Teddy, the social welfare of FDR, and an entirely new layer of ideas and policies brought forward by her administration. 

[CMRivdogs]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

people like FDR saw Capitalism's threat to itself much more clearly then we do today. There are some out there picking up the message, but not enough.

I'm sure FDR saw the effects of an unfettered (or practically unfettered) Capitalism under the Harding administration. And Andrew Mellon's long reign as Secretary of the Treasury

[Tigeraholic1]

 

[oblong]

It doesn't confirm that at all.

He knows the investigation is over because he's not an independent counsel like Kenneth Starr was.  They don't have those anymore.