2024 Presidential Election thread

[chasfh]

21 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I find that one way to handle bullies in positions of authority is a form of passive aggressiveness where you do your work, but don't engage with them much (maybe a sarcastic smirk once in a while just for your own satisfaction).  Standing up to them works in the moment, but doesn't solve the problem because they'll want revenge.  Subservience is never a good response because they'll just bully you more quietly.  Passive aggressiveness works especially well with extoverts because extroverts (and it's been my observation that most bullies are extroverts)can not handle passive aggressiveness.  

Yes, my solution is immature and don't do it anymore, but it works!

That sounds reasonable for certain types of employees, particularly individual contributors who don't have responsibility for anyone but themselves, but since I was a VP with direct reports and I was reporting to her, the SVP, that kind of passive aggression would not have worked for my circumstance. Plus, she would have sussed out and punished me for something like that in a millisecond, because group politics was her thing. It was all I could do to manage my people since she would routinely go around me to them for various things, not the least of which was drawing out unofficial feedback about me. I know this because, thank god, I had one guy loyal to me from a previous company we both worked for who clued me in to that.

Since I knew she was on thin air in other areas, I just waited for the hammer to come down on her, which it did probably within a few months after that HR meeting.

God, do I ever not miss that ****.

[gehringer_2]

21 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Since I knew she was on thin air in other areas, I just waited for the hammer to come down on her, which it did probably within a few months after that HR meeting.

yeah - it does depend a lot on how fast your org's turnover is. Things turned over relatively fast at the regional level in one org I worked for, you could basically keep your head down and just mostly avoid a bad middle manager because they wouldn't be there long in most cases. Obviously there are limited places you can do that. In some orgs you can cultivate your boss's boss, which can pay off but can also be risky.

Edited December 3, 2024 by gehringer_2

[Tigeraholic1]

 Boom

 

[antrat]

I just love the way the media and MAGAS are going insane over this pardon. LOL. An effn felon is going to be president. Spare me the fake outrage.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

1 hour ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

 Boom

 

Can't wait to see you out there picking corn, soybeans, and walnuts. 40-44% of our farm and agriculture workforce is undocumented according to the USDA. Good luck with replacing 40% of any industry's workforce. 

[Tigeraholic1]

6 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Can't wait to see you out there picking corn, soybeans, and walnuts. 40-44% of our farm and agriculture workforce is undocumented according to the USDA. Good luck with replacing 40% of any industry's workforce. 

Umm, corn and soybean are 100% automated. Combines run off of GPS you don't even need a driver. My 65 year old neighbor manages 500 acres by himself.... Who eats walnuts?

 

Tell me you have no idea how a farm works by telling me you have no idea how a farm works. 

[oblong]

I wonder if Charlie Kirk has ever had consensual sex. 

[CMRivdogs]

1 hour ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Umm, corn and soybean are 100% automated. Combines run off of GPS you don't even need a driver. My 65 year old neighbor manages 500 acres by himself.... Who eats walnuts?

 

Tell me you have no idea how a farm works by telling me you have no idea how a farm works. 

Riddle me this Smart Dude. If all farm work is automated then who exactly hires 283 thousand farm workers (the number estimated by the Center for Migration Studies report, look it up). That's about 4% of undocumented workers in the U-S.

 Now maybe if they (both Republicans and Democrats) actually went after the businesses that hired undocumented workers (builders, landscapers, folks that run poultry houses which are considered agricultural btw, domestic help, Trump's wife, guys like Musk who came here illegally because he lied on his visa application) it would be more effective than whatever we've done in the past. 
 

Check your figures, Obama expelled more undocuments than Trump and built more wall. 

[Tigeraholic1]

10 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Riddle me this Smart Dude. If all farm work is automated then who exactly hires 283 thousand farm workers (the number estimated by the Center for Migration Studies report, look it up). That's about 4% of undocumented workers in the U-S.

 Now maybe if they (both Republicans and Democrats) actually went after the businesses that hired undocumented workers (builders, landscapers, folks that run poultry houses which are considered agricultural btw, domestic help, Trump's wife, guys like Musk who came here illegally because he lied on his visa application) it would be more effective than whatever we've done in the past. 
 

Check your figures, Obama expelled more undocuments than Trump and built more wall. 

I was gonna type something all cute out but I am done dealing with this guy….

[casimir]

20 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Yes, his MAGA folks were going around bashing Liz Cheney (which I'm all in favor of on foreign policy) and talking about how there were no wars under Trump (which is not true). They talked about him as if he were Cindy Sheehan and Code Pink. 

Maybe I inherently blocked all of that BS out because BS.

[Tiger337]

3 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Umm, corn and soybean are 100% automated. Combines run off of GPS you don't even need a driver. My 65 year old neighbor manages 500 acres by himself.... Who eats walnuts?

 

I do.  I usually put them in my daily bowl of oatmeal

[CMRivdogs]

1 minute ago, Tiger337 said:

I do.  I usually put them in my daily bowl of oatmeal

They're also good in brownies and chocolate chip cookies. Walnuts are good for you

[pfife]

38 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I do.  I usually put them in my daily bowl of oatmeal

Checkmate

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

If all farm work is automated then who exactly hires 283 thousand farm workers (the number estimated by the Center for Migration Studies report, look it up). That's about 4% of undocumented workers in the U-S.

C'mon, CMR - who needs fruits and veggies, don't they call come from the left coast anyway? We don't care about those farmers, they don't have enough votes to carry their states. 

Nope - You can have beans and bread on weekdays and beans and corn on weekends, and you'll get fat and happy.

Edited December 4, 2024 by gehringer_2

[smr-nj]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

I do.  I usually put them in my daily bowl of oatmeal

A palmful almost everyday. 

[casimir]

Almonds > walnuts.  That’s all I got.

[Tiger337]

13 minutes ago, casimir said:

Almonds > walnuts.  That’s all I got.

Both are good.  I often have almonds in my trail mix.  

[smr-nj]

2 hours ago, casimir said:

Almonds > walnuts.  That’s all I got.

Almonds, walnuts, pistachios, and pumpkin/sunflower seeds. (All unsalted, of course). 
 

…. and some 72% dark chocolate. 
 

(& the 2000 year old man also recommends natural things, like water and CLOUDS….. and an occasional stuffed cabbage) 😁

[Mr.TaterSalad]

7 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Umm, corn and soybean are 100% automated. Combines run off of GPS you don't even need a driver. My 65 year old neighbor manages 500 acres by himself.... Who eats walnuts?

 

Tell me you have no idea how a farm works by telling me you have no idea how a farm works. 

So you think deporting 40% of our farm and agriculture workers won't have a negative effect on food prices and food supply?

[casimir]

16 hours ago, antrat said:

I just love the way the media and MAGAS are going insane over this pardon. LOL. An effn felon is going to be president. Spare me the fake outrage.

On another hand, the election of a felon and this particular pardon can both be bad situations.

[pfife]

Im having difficulty giving a **** about the Hunter pardon.   Literally no impact on my life 

[Tigeraholic1]

8 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

So you think deporting 40% of our farm and agriculture workers won't have a negative effect on food prices and food supply?

The argument you use sounds very similar to the south when talking about freeing slaves. You would rather under pay an illegal than pay a proper wage to an american. 

[Tigeraholic1]

12 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I do.  I usually put them in my daily bowl of oatmeal

I have about 12 walnut trees in my woods that the fat Squirrels enjoy. 

[Tiger337]

15 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

The argument you use sounds very similar to the south when talking about freeing slaves. You would rather under pay an illegal than pay a proper wage to an american. 

I'd rather they got paid a fair wage and be allowed to stay.  If someone is productive and stays out of trouble, I want them to have a quick path to legal immigration.  

[chasfh]

12 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

They're also good in brownies and chocolate chip cookies. Walnuts are good for you

I top my yogurt with walnuts and flax seeds.

I’ll give you my walnuts when you pry them from my cold, dead liberal hands.

 

Edited December 4, 2024 by chasfh