07/04/2022 1:10 EDT Cleveland Guardians at Detroit Tigers (Doubleheader Game 1)

[casimir]

  

Cleveland Guardians (40-36) at Detroit Tigers (30-47)

[casimir]

@Tigeraholic1 must be hittin' the sauce early.

[Tigeraholic1]

  On 7/4/2022 at 1:46 PM, casimir said:

@Tigeraholic1 must be hittin' the sauce early.

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Yawn.... No, that was lst night. 🤪

[romad1]

Is today's game being broadcast or is it available on VHS if we donate $35.99 to our local PBS station?

[RandyMarsh]

Not sure if this is a fan saying this or a teammate/coach but it's hilarious either way. 

[chasfh]

  On 7/4/2022 at 4:23 PM, RandyMarsh said:

Not sure if this is a fan saying this or a teammate/coach but it's hilarious either way. 

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That was a Canadian accent, so I’m gonna go with fan.

[chasfh]

  On 7/4/2022 at 4:23 PM, RandyMarsh said:

Not sure if this is a fan saying this or a teammate/coach but it's hilarious either way. 

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This is the same guy’s feed, by the way:

 

[RandyMarsh]

  On 7/4/2022 at 4:25 PM, chasfh said:

That was a Canadian accent, so I’m gonna go with fan.

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Astute observation, it's not as funny as a teammate saying it but considering it's opposing fan calling out a completely different team it still makes it pretty funny but sad for us.. 

[mtutiger]

Probably in the minority, but the Paredes discourse is pretty old at this point

[chasfh]

Also, Trump is no longer president so why are we still talking about him

[RandyMarsh]

  On 7/4/2022 at 4:27 PM, chasfh said:

This is the same guy’s feed, by the way:

 

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I was kinda in that boat as that at the time of the trade but I figured even if he excelled there we'd atleast be happy with Meadows but since that hasn't happened it just makes Paredes success hurt that much more. Also it hurts seeing Candy, Schoop and others struggle here cause if it indeed has nothing to do with the Rays and he would've performed this way for us then with their struggles that means he probably would've gotten a shot to do that here this year. 

[mtutiger]

  On 7/4/2022 at 4:30 PM, chasfh said:

Also, Trump is no longer president so why are we still talking about him

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The President of the United States (and someone who aspires to the job again) has a much more acute impact on my day to day life than someone playing for the Tampa Bay Rays.

Edited July 4, 2022 by mtutiger

[chasfh]

  On 7/4/2022 at 4:32 PM, mtutiger said:

The President of the United States has a much more acute impact on my day to day life than someone playing for the Tampa Bay Rays.

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Maybe in your world … 😏

[RandyMarsh]

  On 7/4/2022 at 4:29 PM, mtutiger said:

Probably in the minority, but the Paredes discourse is pretty old at this point

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It is but considering the fact that people still bring up the JD return 5 years later I think talking about him just 3 months later isn't that big of deal. 

[chasfh]

  On 7/4/2022 at 4:32 PM, RandyMarsh said:

I was kinda in that boat as that at the time of the trade but I figured even if he excelled there we'd atleast be happy with Meadows but since that hasn't happened it just makes Paredes success hurt that much more. Also it hurts seeing Candy, Schoop and others struggle here cause if it indeed has nothing to do with the Rays and he would've performed this way for us then with their struggles that means he probably would've gotten a shot to do that here this year. 

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The idea that we were already liquidating top prospects for middling veterans before we even hit the .500 mark had to be a last straw for thousands of fans.

[mtutiger]

  On 7/4/2022 at 4:32 PM, RandyMarsh said:

I was kinda in that boat as that at the time of the trade but I figured even if he excelled there we'd atleast be happy with Meadows but since that hasn't happened it just makes Paredes success hurt that much more. Also it hurts seeing Candy, Schoop and others struggle here cause if it indeed has nothing to do with the Rays and he would've performed this way for us then with their struggles that means he probably would've gotten a shot to do that here this year. 

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I guess Chas can claim the high ground because he was skeptical from the start, but when Jeff Riger is on his Twitter dot com account sharing every single Paredes home run when I dont recall his objections at the time, it's just trolling 

Edited July 4, 2022 by mtutiger

[chasfh]

Oh good lord, I was funnin’ you. Relax.

[mtutiger]

  On 7/4/2022 at 4:33 PM, RandyMarsh said:

It is but considering the fact that people still bring up the JD return 5 years later I think talking about him just 3 months later isn't that big of deal. 

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Sure. But that deal is also much more in the past tense at this point, which if anything makes it better / fairer to reappraise the deal.

With this deal, the Tigers still have Meadows under team control for a couple of more years after this one. And it seems like some talk about the guy in the past tense or if he's incapable of providing value... and that just comes across as a premature judgment.

Edited July 4, 2022 by mtutiger

[mtutiger]

  On 7/4/2022 at 4:37 PM, chasfh said:

Oh good lord, I was funnin’ you. Relax.

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This response seems unwarranted. 

[casimir]

  On 7/4/2022 at 4:29 PM, mtutiger said:

Probably in the minority, but the Paredes discourse is pretty old at this point

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Is it old?  Put the Meadows season aside.  I think we can all agree that has been flukey as all get out.

But the Paredes thing, if he hits like this, what does that say about Detroit’s talent evaluation and development?  I suppose it could also be considered a fluke, much like the Tigers resurrected JD Martinez’ career.  Or was that more Martinez and the Tigers were just lucky enough to have offered the opportunity?

[chasfh]

  On 7/4/2022 at 4:38 PM, mtutiger said:

This response seems unwarranted. 

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So does your thread-copping and your calling me out by name in replies to others, but hey, all in good fun, amirite?

[casimir]

  On 7/4/2022 at 4:47 PM, chasfh said:

So does your thread-copping and your calling me out by name in replies to others, but hey, all in good fun, amirite?

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Oh boy, here we go again, everyone is picking on Chuck.

[mtutiger]

  On 7/4/2022 at 4:47 PM, chasfh said:

So does your thread-copping and your calling me out by name in replies to others, but hey, all in good fun, amirite?

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So I give you credit for being one of the few people who actually held that the trade was better from the Tampa Bay end (unlike most everyone else complaining about it), and the response is that I'm "calling you out"?

Good Lord, Relax. 

Edited July 4, 2022 by mtutiger

[mtutiger]

  On 7/4/2022 at 4:47 PM, casimir said:

But the Paredes thing, if he hits like this, what does that say about Detroit’s talent evaluation and development?  I suppose it could also be considered a fluke, much like the Tigers resurrected JD Martinez’ career.  Or was that more Martinez and the Tigers were just lucky enough to have offered the opportunity?

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This is the biggest takeaway for me, for sure. Meadows is capable of coming back and playing well, but either way it doesn't say much for the Tigers that they didn't give Paredes more of an opportunity or set him up for success.

[casimir]

  On 7/4/2022 at 4:53 PM, mtutiger said:

This is the biggest takeaway for me, for sure. Meadows is capable of coming back and playing well, but either way it doesn't say much for the Tigers that they didn't give Paredes more of an opportunity or set him up for success.

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Or where does Paredes level off at?  The ISO and hard hit rates are too far off the charts to be considered sustainable.