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[MichiganCardinal]

43 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

From what I understand, they left that kid alone for days.  They'd leave him money and he would be on his own at 12/13/14 years old.   He'd ask neighbors to drive him to the store.    I am not sure if they even checked in on him. 

But the one thing out of all of this, already knowing these people are just absolutely horrible parents was that when their son got arrested, they chose to flee the country instead of being there to help him.     These people make me sick, but I think they'll get away with it.    If Casey Anthony can get away with what she did, then these disgusting pieces of filth can too - and they'd be lauded as 2nd Amendment heroes.   No, not in Oxford, but in much of this country.  They'll just blame Gretchen.  

I haven't seen this yet. It would probably change my opinion if it comes in at trial that they were leaving him unattended for days at a time.

I'm not convinced they were fleeing the country though. They were hiding for sure, but the shooting was on a Tuesday, they were charged late Friday afternoon, and they were arrested on Saturday morning in Detroit. If they wanted to flee, they had family in Florida they could have gone to, or they were free citizens to cross into Canada until charges were announced on Friday.

It was really the first thing that annoyed me about the prosecution in this case. They knew they were going to charge the parents by Wednesday or Thursday. The parents had attorneys by then too. Instead of handling the case professionally and arranging for an arraignment like every other case where the defendant already has an attorney, the prosecutor waited and did a 4:00pm Friday afternoon press conference (after the court was closed so they couldn't be arraigned that day), announced the charges to the media (before the defense attorney), and then practically stepped off the podium and said "we can't find them, they're running!" to get widespread media coverage. They were arrested less than 12 hours later. Of course they weren't in Oxford, they'd have been hanged like Salem witches by the angry mob. But they were only 45 minutes south.

It worked though, the parents have been in jail for over two years. Neither Rittenhouse or Casey Anthony got that.

[Motor City Sonics]

6 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

 

I'm not convinced they were fleeing the country though. They were hiding for sure, but the shooting was on a Tuesday, they were charged late Friday afternoon, and they were arrested on Saturday morning in Detroit. If they wanted to flee, they had family in Florida they could have gone to, or they were free citizens to cross into Canada until charges were announced on Friday.

 

But there was no indication that they might be charged for a couple of days.   Remember, it was two days later when all the social media stuff with the guns started coming out.    If they wanted to go to Florida they would have never stopped in Detroit first.    

[MichiganCardinal]

Just now, Motor City Sonics said:

But there was no indication that they might be charged for a couple of days.   Remember, it was two days later when all the social media stuff with the guns started coming out.    If they wanted to go to Florida they would have never stopped in Detroit first.    

Wasn't there though? This WaPo article I found from two days before charges were announced included this quote from McDonald, "Those who do not do that [responsibly secure their weapons] should and will be held accountable", and in the same speech to the media, she basically announced that charges against the parents were imminent. If they wanted to go to Canada, why didn't they? The second she said the above on 12/1, they could have driven straight to the border. They weren't charged yet, there was nothing stopping them. They were arrested in Detroit on 12/3.

I don't know. We might not agree on specifics here, but the whole thing stinks to high heaven. It never should have happened if there was some sense of sanity at the highest level of government. As a society, we apparently value our toys more than our children. Even if they're guilty, will it really help? How many school shootings have happened while they were awaiting trial?

Instead of change, it's just school shooting -> thoughts and prayers -> "we have to do something!" -> doing nothing -> school shooting -> thoughts and prayers.... I don't think this case will change that one way or the other.

[Motor City Sonics]

19 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Wasn't there though? This WaPo article I found from two days before charges were announced included this quote from McDonald, "Those who do not do that [responsibly secure their weapons] should and will be held accountable", and in the same speech to the media, she basically announced that charges against the parents were imminent. If they wanted to go to Canada, why didn't they? The second she said the above on 12/1, they could have driven straight to the border. They weren't charged yet, there was nothing stopping them. They were arrested in Detroit on 12/3.

I don't know. We might not agree on specifics here, but the whole thing stinks to high heaven. It never should have happened if there was some sense of sanity at the highest level of government. As a society, we apparently value our toys more than our children. Even if they're guilty, will it really help? How many school shootings have happened while they were awaiting trial?

Instead of change, it's just school shooting -> thoughts and prayers -> "we have to do something!" -> doing nothing -> school shooting -> thoughts and prayers.... I don't think this case will change that one way or the other.

Perhaps they (correctly) assumed that officials would be looking for them at the border.      I don't know where they were going, but they were checkin' out, leaving the kid on his own, which was nothing new for them.