1984Echoes Posted July 10, 2023 Author Posted July 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said: If we come away from this draft with a solid center fielder and shortstop it doesn’t matter what people say or who else we draft it’s a huge win. I'm going to amend that (personally, for myself...) to getting: a solid CF'er and a solid SS and 1 solid starter and 1 solid reliever = it's a major win. Quote
KL2 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, 1984Echoes said: I'm going to amend that (personally, for myself...) to getting: a solid CF'er and a solid SS and 1 solid starter and 1 solid reliever = it's a major win. Almost no draft class has ever landed that much. Remember one starter and a reliever is a home run. To put it context, Spencer Turnbull has the second highest WAR of any player drafted in the 2014 second round... and only 8 guys drafted in the first 41 picks (round 1) are higher. Quote
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, KL2 said: Almost no draft class has ever landed that much. Remember one starter and a reliever is a home run. To put it context, Spencer Turnbull has the second highest WAR of any player drafted in the 2014 second round... and only 8 guys drafted in the first 41 picks (round 1) are higher. I think this is the thing that took me the longest to understand. You are lucky if you get a solid regular and a SP in one draft that has sustained success. Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 10, 2023 Author Posted July 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, KL2 said: Almost no draft class has ever landed that much. Remember one starter and a reliever is a home run. To put it context, Spencer Turnbull has the second highest WAR of any player drafted in the 2014 second round... and only 8 guys drafted in the first 41 picks (round 1) are higher. Dude... I'm going for broke... Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Dude... I'm going for broke... 1 Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 10, 2023 Author Posted July 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Tigeraholic1 said: And WTF is that supposed to mean? Quote
Sports_Freak Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 57 minutes ago, Dan Gilmore said: Skubal was only still there in the ninth due to injury. He was rated much higher on talent. Kudos to Avila for getting both. Yeah, he had TJ surgery. Was originally drafted in a later round by Arizona but decided to go the college route. Quote
Tiger337 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Another SS/3B Carson Rucker If you don't like Carson Rucker, you don't like ice cream. 1 Quote
RatkoVarda Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 if you are taking HS players you better have the ability to develop them; decades of failure makes me nervous that they really can do it, but whole new team in place obviously Quote
oblong Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 It was said by a departed poster that Tony Clark is the standard. If you can get a Tony Clark in a draft from a single year then it is a success. I agree with that. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoCalTiger said: If we come away from this draft with a solid center fielder and shortstop it doesn’t matter what people say or who else we draft it’s a huge win. The core of a baseball team is about 15 guys who average at leat 5 yrs per career. So all you really need is 2 to 3 core level players per year combined from the US draft plus the international draft and the occasional undrafted find like Foley. Doesn't seem like so high a bar, but the Tiger's hadn't been able to get over it often until recently with the Tigers finding Mize, Skubal, Turnbull, Manning, Tork, Greene, Carpenter, Foley in the last few years. Of course if they improve they have to keep that up with lower picks. Edited July 10, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: if you are taking HS players you better have the ability to develop them; decades of failure makes me nervous that they really can do it, but whole new team in place obviously I'm less on board with taking HS pitchers. Just my overall impression but I think the projectability of pitchers improves more from 18 to 20 with pitchers than hitters so I don't see as much motivation to shop prep pitchers. Plus only a few guys (Eury Perez excepted) are physcially mature enough or have commmand enough to successfully throw starter's innings in the majors until they are 22-24 anyway so they aren't going to be ready much sooner for being drafted sooner. I remember the Dodgers had everyone hyped up about Urias at 19 and he still didn't find success until 24. Edited July 10, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 32 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: And WTF is that supposed to mean? The last guy who went all in. I was kidding. Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 10, 2023 Author Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, Tigeraholic1 said: The last guy who went all in. I was kidding. OK. Because otherwise I'm taking that as a personal insult. But just kidding is certainly ok... But also: I don't see where AA went all in on anything. That was a huge part of the problem. He half-arsed everything which led him to being shown the door. So I guess I still don't get the reference... Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 10, 2023 Author Posted July 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: The core of a baseball team is about 15 guys who average at leat 5 yrs per career. So all you really need is 2 to 3 core level players per year combined from the US draft plus the international draft and the occasional undrafted find like Foley. Doesn't seem like so high a bar, but the Tiger's hadn't been able to get over it often until recently with the Tigers finding Castellanos, Mize, Skubal, Turnbull, Manning, Tork, Greene, Carpenter, Foley in the last few years. Of course if they improve they have to keep that up with lower picks. Avila's closest looks like 2020 where he drafted Torkelson (MLB), Keith (on the verge), Flores (signed as undrafted after the 5-round draft) & Dingler (both still have some hope). I think Gage Workman and Danny Cabrera are washing out. Maybe Trei Cruz still has a hope & a prayer...? Quote
mtutiger Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 5th Round - Jaden Hamm @RandomTigerFan2038452750 on Twitter will probably not love the 5.31 ERA Edited July 10, 2023 by mtutiger Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 10, 2023 Author Posted July 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I'm less on board with taking HS pitchers. Just my overall impression but I think the projectability of pitchers improves more from 18 to 20 with pitchers than hitters so I don't see as much motivation to shop prep pitchers. There are a few I think are worth the risk. Especially if we are talking 3rd round or later. Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 10, 2023 Author Posted July 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, mtutiger said: 5th Round - Jaden Hamm @RandomTigerFan2038452750 on Twitter will probably not love the 5.31 ERA Another cheap sign draftee to cover the HS'ers...? Quote
SoCalTiger Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said: I'm going to amend that (personally, for myself...) to getting: a solid CF'er and a solid SS and 1 solid starter and 1 solid reliever = it's a major win. Getting greedy but I like it !! 1 Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 10, 2023 Author Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, SoCalTiger said: Getting greedy but I like it !! I WANT to be greedy!!! None of that gimme just one Tony Clark and I'm satisfied **** !!! 1 Quote
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