The Tigers have fired Al Avila

[Edman85]

McLeod has ties to Jarrod Porter. I don't know the extent of those ties, but it's amazing how those types can pick and choose their activism. Case in point, their constant lionization of the writer Howard Bryant.

[mtutiger]

1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

I'm sick and tired of activism from the formerly baseball analytics types. Also, I didn't realize McLeod was a POC.

For somebody who is quick to jump down people's throats for logical fallacies, people like Law saying "Oh, they signed a white guy, it must be because they are white" is pretty fucking rich.

It's also kind of an unimaginative argument on his part, on a few levels... not just falling back on making this hiring a litmus test for progress in diversifying MLB front offices, but just completely dismissing Byrnes without mentioning that he has a record of drafting and acquiring some really good MLB talent in his career.

I don't know if Byrnes is the best possible hire they can make or not, but I don't think it's ridiculous that he's on the short list either.

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

Tigers and Detroit sports fans in general have shown that they will come out when the team wins, not so much when they lose Lions withstanding. When the Tigers were good they were averaging 3 mill + at the ball park now I think they're on pace for about half that. So if you average $100 a head between tickets, parking and concessions that extra 1.5 million people could bring in an extra $150 million a year and that doesn't count for potentially higher local TV ratings which can allow you to get a bigger deal there. 

Of course spending money doesn't guarantee a better product on the field but you financially it would seem it would be in his best interest to spend as much money within reason that it takes to try to win. 

This post makes perfect sense as it stands.

Counterpoint: Tigers increased their Opening Day payroll from $80 million to $135 million this year, and they are going to draw basically the same 1.5 million fans with their 100-loss product that they did in 2019 with their 114-loss product. What lesson is a conservative business tycoon to take from this?

[Longgone]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

This post makes perfect sense as it stands.

Counterpoint: Tigers increased their Opening Day payroll from $80 million to $135 million this year, and they are going to draw basically the same 1.5 million fans with their 100-loss product that they did in 2019 with their 114-loss product. What lesson is a conservative business tycoon to take from this?

Win

[SoCalTiger]

Being bold would be bringing Verlander back ( two years at stupid $). Him and a solid new GM who can shift through the chaff, add around the edges with one years bats and build toward a 2024 resurgence. Thats buzz.

[chasfh]

21 minutes ago, Longgone said:

Win

If you’re saying the lesson to take from this is to “win”, as if he could flip a switch to do so, then by that logic that means Ilitch has not been trying to win, since he has been losing in historic fashion ever since taking control of the team.

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

This post makes perfect sense as it stands.

Counterpoint: Tigers increased their Opening Day payroll from $80 million to $135 million this year, and they are going to draw basically the same 1.5 million fans with their 100-loss product that they did in 2019 with their 114-loss product. What lesson is a conservative business tycoon to take from this?

Cruel reality dosage for the day.

Edited September 9, 2022 by gehringer_2

[1984Echoes]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

... Counterpoint: Tigers increased their Opening Day payroll from $80 million to $135 million this year, and they are going to draw basically the same 1.5 million fans with their 100-loss product that they did in 2019 with their 114-loss product. What lesson is a conservative business tycoon to take from this?

1) Don't spend $ 135 mill on a House of Cards.

Like Schoop, Grossman, Miggy, etc... Even Meadows & Eduardo... who we didn't know would run into injuries/ other issues this year...

2) Patience.

Cannot put Humpty Dumpty back together again in just one year of spending some money. Especially when relying on (A) foreseeable underperforming assets (Grossman/ Schoop/ Miggy) and (B) also relying on a boat load of kids who are naturally going to have ups and downs until they establish their footing in MLB. Requiring... patience, no quick FA fixes.

We could hope that everything goes perfectly right in 2022 and we get our 80-ish wins... Or, like we all did, including Ilitch, we forgot that Murphy's Law does actually exist and things do go wrong. So... patience. I don't want to do anything different in 2023 so we can see how most of these kids (at the higher levels such as MLB down to no further than AA) flesh out before making any decisions/ changes in the on-field personnel... but that's just me.

Ilitch should see that the correct lesson is to continue to develop the farm system so that free agency is turned to only as a last resort. There is lots of promise on the farm, but it will take further patience. And further improvements in the development system. And someone at the top who can do more/ faster than Avila to bring the Org front office, from top to bottom, into the 21st century. We are half way there, but need an integration specialist that can pull all the pieces together, and make them work cohesively. 

As for money, I hope that our prospects turn out well enough that we are offering THEM 8 year contracts to buy out 2 or 3 arbitration years as well as 5-ish years of FA at a hometown discount. And filling in only 1 or 2 holes with outside FA's. That's how I want to spend our annual Salaries. But... that's probably a different topic of discussion for the very far off future... at least as it looks like right now...

[1984Echoes]

So... I better follow my own device and have some... patience.

Like it or not.

[chasfh]

2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Cruel reality dosage for the day.

Yeah, this is why I don’t get invited to parties, weddings, graduations, or funerals … 😏

[buddha]

they dont need to spend a ton of money on non-elite free agents.  they need to draft and develop players better.

#thankscaptainobvious