gehringer_2 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Riley battled there, but Sandoval never made a mistake, even with no help from the ump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: I don't listen or watch every broadcast but atleast from what I hear you never hear the announcers talk about Coolbaugh or what he is having a specific hitter work on. Like with previous coaches you'd often hear them say things like "Lloyd is having x working on doing y" or something to that effect. I never hear anything about the hitting or lack there of in regards to this regime. I've heard one - some talk in the booth about Coolbaugh and Candelario a couple of weeks ago. But apparently to little avail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Can we get Manning a couple runs? He is dealing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 That's good night's work for Manning by any measure. Rodriguez Sunday? So maybe we are back up to two. If we can finish this season with 3 names as sure things for next year's rotation that may be the best we can hope for.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 I thought maybe AJ would send Manning back out for the 8th since he has only 90 pitches but I can't blame him for erring on the side of caution. BTW have we had a starter all season pitch into the 8th inning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 minute ago, RandyMarsh said: I thought maybe AJ would send Manning back out for the 8th since he has only 90 pitches but I can't blame him for erring on the side of caution. BTW have we had a starter all season pitch into the 8th inning? Skubal did once I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Nice 7 innings by Manning... Are we allowed to keep him? Or do we have to give him back to the IL? I really am tired of that route and would prefer to be able to keep "nice things" instead of the other... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) That is where I believe Gibson has it wrong. Pitching is not like running. For most guys pitching is destructive, so pitching more may make their bodies stronger but it's going to run the clock on their arm. There may have been a pitching style 30 yrs ago where that wasn't true, but it seem to be the inescapable conclusion the way guys throw today. If there was a way to get back to a mode of pitching that didn't destroy arms, I can't think of anything I'd rather see, but if there is any org where it's not the case today, it's ours. Edited August 20, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 At this rate Sandoval may get himself a "Maddux", the ole complete game on sub 100 pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Matt Manning is thinking "What do I have to freaking do?" So, when does Matt go to the long term IL again, next start, start after? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 I dont want to take anything away from Cy Sandoval, but Good Lord this offense blows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hart Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Earlier in the season, I think Manning would have come out after 6th. I wonder if the Tigers are saying screw it...babying these guys as much as we have certainly has not been working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) Just thinking out loud, with all the other reasons around out there - the live ball, the maple bats, the better hitters 1-9 putting more stress on pitchers, changes in the K zone; I also wonder if the trend to cutting down deliveries has had an overall effect. Back in the day a lot of guys had big windups - and I wonder if somehow on average, cutting all that down may have increased stress on arms. The big thing today is 'no wasted motion' but maybe there were reasons that motion wasn't a waste? Edited August 20, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 good job by manning. that's all that is important in the big picture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Cy Sandoval indeed gets the Maddux, complete game shutout on only 97 pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 24 minutes ago, Hart said: Earlier in the season, I think Manning would have come out after 6th. I wonder if the Tigers are saying screw it...babying these guys as much as we have certainly has not been working. He only had 90 pitches. And no stress whatsoever. I don't think innings is the issue... at least not this game and this game makes a bad comparative for the reasons above... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Very positive start for Manning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hart Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: He only had 90 pitches. And no stress whatsoever. I don't think innings is the issue... at least not this game and this game makes a bad comparative for the reasons above... He did have over 80 pithes after 6 though. That's usually grounds for taking a young pitcher out so he ends on a positive note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkelly Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 It seems like the Tigers face Cy Young candidates every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Despite this I believe we have the worst record in the majors during this time which just seems unfathomable. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 33 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: Despite this I believe we have the worst record in the majors during this time which just seems unfathomable. Yes the perfect bullpen has sprung a few leaks, which was inevitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Hart said: He did have over 80 pithes after 6 though. That's usually grounds for taking a young pitcher out so he ends on a positive note. Who does that? How often? You'd have to show me that one because stopping at 80 pitches & 6 innings sounds to me like pretty much "never". I won't believe that one unless I can see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Who does that? How often? You'd have to show me that one because stopping at 80 pitches & 6 innings sounds to me like pretty much "never". I won't believe that one unless I can see it. you can look at it as just coming out of Spring Training for him again. Jim Leyland held Max Scherzer to roughly 6 inning starts early in his career, though Max often got to 100 pitches or more to get in 6. He held JV to 6 IP per start in his first season as well. I guess I'd be more bothered by him missing a regular start the rest of the way than whether he goes 80 or 100 pitches per start this soon on his return. Not to mention the Tigers have nothing but time for him to build his pitch count. Edited August 20, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted August 20, 2022 Author Share Posted August 20, 2022 11 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: They gotta be getting close to shattering the season record for double plays… Surprising that they make enough contact for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 They are 13th in baseball in GIDP. Their GIDP per opportunity may be pretty high though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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