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Ukraine’s Allies Can’t Get Arms Fast Enough as Stockpiles Shrink

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With Russia’s war in Ukraine in its eighth month, some European nations that have funneled weapons to Kyiv are running low, and it could take years for defense contractors to meet the shortfall.

Kyiv’s allies have already sent in billions of dollars in arms, munitions and equipment since Russia invaded in February. That’s putting pressure on ammunition stockpiles, including 155 mm shells for artillery, some of the people said, of which the US has given Ukraine well over a million rounds since the start of the war.

Ukraine’s partners may be tempted to prune back support as they worry about their own security needs, potentially creating the types of fissures Putin is seeking to exploit alongside tensions over access to energy in Europe.

https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-allies-t-arms-fast-122438053.html

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and Biden is correct because if Ukraine joins NATO the US is immediately obligated to put US troops on the ground in Ukraine and US pilots in the air face to face with the Russians and I don't think too many sane people on the planet want to see the Russian rat backed into that corner. That was avoided in Vietnam, in the Middle East (multiple times), in Afghanistan, and it will be avoided in Ukraine. Either article 5 means something or it doesn't. NATO will help Ukraine fight this war but they will not fight it for them. And that is the right policy. When the war is over, the NATO security umbrella can be extended over Ukraine then its becomes Russia's choice to precipitate a direct conflict with AFUSA.

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Not saying there's any chance of it happening, because there isn't, but if Ukraine were allowed to join and NATO suddenly dropped half a million troops into the country and pointed all of their sea and air power in the direction of Russia, Putin would fold like a cheap suit and withdraw.  

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50 minutes ago, romad1 said:

and there it is

 

They promised to fast-track some EU processes.

Not an iron-clad promise for entry...

But enough give for in to Turkey's desires (universal visa entry, etc...) that Erdogan was comfortable with the promises.

Whatever it takes...

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3 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

It's like there's a one-man cheerleader squad in here for Vladimir Putin and his fascist, violent, corrupt, gangster, Anti-American, genocidal regime.

Because it gives him more time with Trump?  Or he likes Trump because he loves Putin?

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Us cluster bombs deal is clear signal the war is not going well for Ukraine.

Even within US government circles, there has been deep unease about supplying its own stockpile of cluster munitions to Ukraine.

Children are overwhelming the victims.

Children are overwhelming the victims.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/us-cluster-bombs-deal-is-clear-signal-that-war-is-not-going-well-for-ukraine-12917101

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Apparently Zelensky (not the Auto parts King) wants WWIII

Zelensky slams Biden’s ‘unprecedented and absurd’ stance on NATO membership

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky tore into NATO leaders including President Biden on Tuesday for not extending NATO membership to his war-torn country slammed the reticence as “weakness” and “absurd” — just moments after Biden referred to the development of new non-public language under development for NATO ascension.

Biden "We’re determined to commit every inch of territory that is NATO territory,” Biden noted. “If the war is going on, then we’re all in war. We’re at war with Russia, if that were the case.”

 

https://nypost.com/2023/07/11/zelensky-slams-weakness-of-absurd-biden-stance-on-nato/

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