Where Do Things End With Vlad? (h/t romad1)

[mtutiger]

Heartbreaking stuff...

[Jim Cowan]

  On 2/23/2022 at 10:10 PM, smr-nj said:

Hmmm.  We have excellent Italian food in northern NJ.  Uncle Vinny asked me to extend an offer he said you wouldn’t refuse.

Eh…. Should’ve known Jersey’d be excluded. 😂

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I saw Richard Jenne doing standup once, pretending to announce delegates at a political convention with their state slogans:  From New Jersey, the "What the fuck are you lookin' at" state, ...

[1984Echoes]

  On 2/23/2022 at 9:27 PM, Crazy Cat Gentleman said:

only if we can switch to their parliamentary style of government.

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And adopt their health care system.

That's not half bad. We'd add 12 states (or more) and they'd all vote Dem.

[romad1]

  On 2/23/2022 at 11:41 PM, mtutiger said:

Heartbreaking stuff...

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I've heard things that say he's in over his head.  I don't know what else he could have done.  He might have had his people on a war footing earlier but then that would have given Putin his provocation.   He's basically put his country on a cross for the World.  Now the international community will be the Pieta. 

[romad1]

I can only imagine NYC on 9/11 if the aircraft were still inbound and everyone knew they couldn't stop them. 

[mtutiger]

  On 2/24/2022 at 12:14 AM, romad1 said:

I've heard things that say he's in over his head.  I don't know what else he could have done.  He might have had his people on a war footing earlier but then that would have given Putin his provocation.   He's basically put his country on a cross for the World.  Now the international community will be the Pieta. 

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I know his domestic situation isn't great (ie. polls), but I'm not sure a more popular leader would have done much better in this situation.

At the end of the day, this is all controlled by one man and his war of choice. Would another leader have impacted that calculus? I doubt it.

[gehringer_2]

  On 2/24/2022 at 12:14 AM, romad1 said:

I've heard things that say he's in over his head.  I don't know what else he could have done.  He might have had his people on a war footing earlier but then that would have given Putin his provocation.   He's basically put his country on a cross for the World.  Now the international community will be the Pieta. 

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he has some very tough decisions to make if the Russian tanks roll. How many lives is a show of resistance worth if it's going to be futile? OTOH, if they have something clever enough cooked up to bloody Ivan, does he have will to give the order knowing that Putin will surely come after him in person.

[romad1]

Maybe

[mtutiger]

Good Lord

[1984Echoes]

To Buddha's point (he may have missed this): The U.S. has already supplied US weaponry to Ukraine. Anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles. And yes, it came from 3rd parties in Poland, the Baltics, and Romania... but it wasn't hidden. In fact it was broadcast loudly "The US is supplying Ukraine with $200 million in ...". Not exactly under the table.

[1984Echoes]

  On 2/24/2022 at 1:45 AM, mtutiger said:

Good Lord

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Full on boot-licking and lying for Putin.

Tucker Carlson is a traitor to Democracy.

Let me rephrase this in 84 LIVES!!! speak:

Tucker Carlson is a Benedict Arnold MF'ing SCUMBAG TRAITOR to Democracy. He can go fuck himself.

Edited February 24, 2022 by 1984Echoes

[1984Echoes]

PS: The UK is freezing foreign assets of some Russian oligarchs... That's the UK's biggest hammer, because al the Russians put alls their money into UK real estate, laundering, banks, etc...

What the UK should do: Freeze ALL Russian assets of EVERY Duma member (they authorized Putin to invade Ukraine), EVERY Russian oligarch, EVERY Russian mafia member (that they can ascertain, or basically, every asset in valuation higher than what a regular family could afford. Which would pretty much be everything. They can sort it out later.

But if they want to get Russia's attention: that would be it.

[oblong]

This is where being president really sucks. No good options and when your option doesn’t stop it, neither would have the other one by the way, the critics hammer you for not picking that other one  I’m not in favor of troops but I have no problem handing over as much equipment and weapons as possible. 

[mtutiger]

  On 2/24/2022 at 1:48 AM, 1984Echoes said:

Full on boot-licking and lying for Putin.

Tucker Carlson is a traitor to Democracy.

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I keep trying to think of another word, but you know, another one doesn't come to mind.

[mtutiger]

 

[romad1]

Selfishly, while my son is waiting out college applications. I hope Russians totally banned from attending school in the US.  That would reduce the pool of competitors for the better schools

[1984Echoes]

  On 2/24/2022 at 12:56 AM, romad1 said:

Maybe

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If Russia wants to destroy all Ukrainian hopes/ destroy the nation entire...

He'll invade the western areas of Ukraine from Byelorussia. That cuts off their ONLY escape route, and their only resupply route. No guerilla warfare. He will have the entire country encircled and force their capitulation. 

And then begin his campaign of outright murder.

[romad1]

Watching the UNSC meeting so you don't have to.  Could be interesting. 

[mtutiger]

 

[mtutiger]

The war is official 

Edited February 24, 2022 by mtutiger

[romad1]

Putin isn't going to stop at the Donba

[romad1]

Real time bangs on CNN in Kiev

 

[romad1]

Kharkov reporter also has real time bangs

[mtutiger]

Kharkiv, Kyiv, Odessa, Mariupol... he's hitting all over

Edited February 24, 2022 by mtutiger

[pfife]

  On 2/24/2022 at 12:14 AM, romad1 said:

I've heard things that say he's in over his head.  I don't know what else he could have done.  He might have had his people on a war footing earlier but then that would have given Putin his provocation.   He's basically put his country on a cross for the World.  Now the international community will be the Pieta. 

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if he investigates Biden for Trump this doesn't happen.