Where Do Things End With Vlad? (h/t romad1)

[mtutiger]

2 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said:

Yes, I am aware.  It would be a historical first though.

Afghanistan was an Article 5 invocation IIRC.

All the more reason we need to be there. We owe these partners a debt

Edited February 24, 2022 by mtutiger

[ewsieg]

He's not getting the Baltic's.  Belarus is trying to court favor by being as much of an ally as possible, but their leaders should be watching their back.  Moldova definitely would be next.  

And while I joked about Obama's dissing of Romney over Russia, Obama obviously was right that China as a major concern.  China and Taiwan are very interested in how this plays out. 

[romad1]

Several US Heavy divisions and US TFWs need to be deployed immediately to Eastern Europe.

 

[mtutiger]

3 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

He's not getting the Baltic's.  Belarus is trying to court favor by being as much of an ally as possible, but their leaders should be watching their back. 

Luka basically owes his power to Putin at this point... he's got little room to maneuver.

Moldova is probably the next on the menu, but if I'm in Poland or Romania or the Baltics, this looks existential to me. It's not abstract as it is for someone living in the USA. 

Edited February 24, 2022 by mtutiger

[mtutiger]

 

[Jim Cowan]

5 minutes ago, romad1 said:

First time since 9/11

I don't get the reference.  A friend or ally was not invaded on 9/11.  The historical first would be entering a conflict on behalf of a friend or ally that had been invaded.  If you guys think that congress would approve it, you would know better than I would.

[mtutiger]

1 minute ago, Jim Cowan said:

I don't get the reference.  A friend or ally was not invaded on 9/11.  The historical first would be entering a conflict on behalf of a friend or ally that had been invaded.  If you guys think that congress would approve it, you would know better than I would.

I think they probably would if it were a NATO country, fwiw.

[Jim Cowan]

7 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Afghanistan was an Article 5 invocation IIRC.

All the more reason we need to be there. We owe these partners a debt

I don't see Afghanistan as a comparison.  It wasn't a NATO member.  It was invaded though...by NATO.

[romad1]

2 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said:

I don't get the reference.  A friend or ally was not invaded on 9/11.  The historical first would be entering a conflict on behalf of a friend or ally that had been invaded.  If you guys think that congress would approve it, you would know better than I would.

Sorry we weren't better allies. 

[Jim Cowan]

Just now, romad1 said:

Sorry we weren't better allies. 

I just don't think it's a slam dunk.  I would hope so though.

[mtutiger]

1 minute ago, Jim Cowan said:

I don't see Afghanistan as a comparison.  It wasn't a NATO member.  It was invaded though...by NATO.

But it was Article 5. An invasion of Poland or the Baltics would fall under that same article.

We have to be there for that, or else NATO ceases to exist.

[romad1]

Human garbage = it rhymes with Tulsi Gabbard

 

[Jim Cowan]

1 minute ago, mtutiger said:

We have to be there for that, or else NATO ceases to exist.

Yes

[mtutiger]

Full scale invasion. Not just Donbas

[buddha]

a view from the Left.

[buddha]

if youre not in nato, youre SOL.

[ewsieg]

Just turned on the UN Security Council Emergency Meeting on CSPAN.  Who is the current president of the Security Council, Russia of course.  </facepalm>

[mtutiger]

3 minutes ago, buddha said:

a view from the Left.

Both sides of the horseshoe suck equally.

[buddha]

Just now, mtutiger said:

Both sides of the horseshoe suck equally.

amen brother.

[Tigerbomb13]

Crazy grandpa off his meds 

[Edman85]

Don't take the bait on Trump, et al. They are Russian plants doing Putin's bidding. Don't let them drive the wedge.

[mtutiger]

 

[mtutiger]

12 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Don't take the bait on Trump, et al. They are Russian plants doing Putin's bidding. Don't let them drive the wedge.

Definitely.

No need to share anything from Tulsi Gabbard as well

Edited February 24, 2022 by mtutiger

[mtutiger]

 

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