mtutiger Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said: Yes, I am aware. It would be a historical first though. Afghanistan was an Article 5 invocation IIRC. All the more reason we need to be there. We owe these partners a debt Edited February 24, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 He's not getting the Baltic's. Belarus is trying to court favor by being as much of an ally as possible, but their leaders should be watching their back. Moldova definitely would be next. And while I joked about Obama's dissing of Romney over Russia, Obama obviously was right that China as a major concern. China and Taiwan are very interested in how this plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Several US Heavy divisions and US TFWs need to be deployed immediately to Eastern Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ewsieg said: He's not getting the Baltic's. Belarus is trying to court favor by being as much of an ally as possible, but their leaders should be watching their back. Luka basically owes his power to Putin at this point... he's got little room to maneuver. Moldova is probably the next on the menu, but if I'm in Poland or Romania or the Baltics, this looks existential to me. It's not abstract as it is for someone living in the USA. Edited February 24, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jim Cowan Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, romad1 said: First time since 9/11 I don't get the reference. A friend or ally was not invaded on 9/11. The historical first would be entering a conflict on behalf of a friend or ally that had been invaded. If you guys think that congress would approve it, you would know better than I would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Jim Cowan said: I don't get the reference. A friend or ally was not invaded on 9/11. The historical first would be entering a conflict on behalf of a friend or ally that had been invaded. If you guys think that congress would approve it, you would know better than I would. I think they probably would if it were a NATO country, fwiw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Afghanistan was an Article 5 invocation IIRC. All the more reason we need to be there. We owe these partners a debt I don't see Afghanistan as a comparison. It wasn't a NATO member. It was invaded though...by NATO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said: I don't get the reference. A friend or ally was not invaded on 9/11. The historical first would be entering a conflict on behalf of a friend or ally that had been invaded. If you guys think that congress would approve it, you would know better than I would. Sorry we weren't better allies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Just now, romad1 said: Sorry we weren't better allies. I just don't think it's a slam dunk. I would hope so though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Jim Cowan said: I don't see Afghanistan as a comparison. It wasn't a NATO member. It was invaded though...by NATO. But it was Article 5. An invasion of Poland or the Baltics would fall under that same article. We have to be there for that, or else NATO ceases to exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Human garbage = it rhymes with Tulsi Gabbard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, mtutiger said: We have to be there for that, or else NATO ceases to exist. Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Full scale invasion. Not just Donbas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 a view from the Left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 if youre not in nato, youre SOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Just turned on the UN Security Council Emergency Meeting on CSPAN. Who is the current president of the Security Council, Russia of course. </facepalm> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, buddha said: a view from the Left. Both sides of the horseshoe suck equally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Just now, mtutiger said: Both sides of the horseshoe suck equally. amen brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Crazy grandpa off his meds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Don't take the bait on Trump, et al. They are Russian plants doing Putin's bidding. Don't let them drive the wedge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mtutiger Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Edman85 said: Don't take the bait on Trump, et al. They are Russian plants doing Putin's bidding. Don't let them drive the wedge. Definitely. No need to share anything from Tulsi Gabbard as well Edited February 24, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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