chasfh Posted March 7, 2022 Author Posted March 7, 2022 On 3/7/2022 at 4:16 PM, gehringer_2 said: as always, when the Russians screw up, the long term danger is the West decides to overplay its hand and regrets it later. There is a huge emotional need to be punitive to Russia right now, and deservedly so, but the West's has to remember their fight is not in the main with the Russian populace. Revenge that goes beyond Putin is not a long term win. Expand That's why I wish Biden had addressed the Russian people during SOTU. Quote
chasfh Posted March 7, 2022 Author Posted March 7, 2022 On 3/7/2022 at 6:09 PM, mtutiger said: If you could squint, you could see freedom to associate with EU/NATO being a solid trade in exchange for Crimea.... but in terms of Russia issuing dictates? Hard to see that ever being acceptable to Ukraine given Russian aggression. Expand Also, if Ukraine were to give in to Russian demands now, which amounts to give us what we want and in exchange we'll stop overtly bombing you, which is a terrible bargain, the peace would be only temporary, because they'd surely simply regroup and came back harder next month or next year, whenever it would be. Also, in the meantime, covert efforts against Ukraine would be ramped up as well. The offer is a no win as it stands. In any event, I believe the point of the offer is to be on the record as being for peace. Not that it's fooling anybody, but maybe it's a necessary precondition to engage a certain patron for support (你好, 中华人民共和国). Quote
romad1 Posted March 7, 2022 Posted March 7, 2022 Denis Kireyev story is shining a light on the cockroaches who are trying to point out that the Ukrainians killed one of their negotiators. Look at the guy who committed "treason" calling out the guy who committed "treason" Quote
Tigerbomb13 Posted March 7, 2022 Posted March 7, 2022 I’m just going to assume it’s Russian propaganda coming from that grifter. Quote
romad1 Posted March 7, 2022 Posted March 7, 2022 On 3/7/2022 at 9:30 PM, Tigerbomb13 said: I’m just going to assume it’s Russian propaganda coming from that grifter. Expand Its not like Putin didn't have operatives all over the place. He has them all over the place in the United States. In fact, Georgie was one. In wartime that can get you killed if counter-intelligence can't allow you to give up Zelensky's position to the Russians. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted March 7, 2022 Posted March 7, 2022 On 3/7/2022 at 9:31 PM, romad1 said: Confident Russia, looking very self-assured. Expand Obvious move but how dumb do they think their own public is? They don't think the average Russian sees through the fact that only bad news gets suppressed? I hope all it does is allow rumor of how bad it is to run past even the reality. Quote
1984Echoes Posted March 7, 2022 Posted March 7, 2022 On 3/7/2022 at 8:39 PM, mtutiger said: To the discussion earlier about negotiating a settlement, thought provoking thread. The amount of bad faith that Russia has built with their invasion will make any settlement thorny, one would imagine. Expand That, and Ukrainian forces kicking their ass all over the place... Quote
romad1 Posted March 7, 2022 Posted March 7, 2022 On 3/7/2022 at 11:35 PM, mtutiger said: Equivalent of a 2 Star General... Expand getting hammered Quote
romad1 Posted March 7, 2022 Posted March 7, 2022 You mean to tell me you've lost another General? v 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted March 7, 2022 Posted March 7, 2022 On 3/7/2022 at 11:48 PM, romad1 said: getting hammered Expand any chance this guy is related to the other General Gerasimov? Quote
romad1 Posted March 8, 2022 Posted March 8, 2022 On 3/7/2022 at 11:57 PM, gehringer_2 said: any chance this guy is related to the other General Gerasimov? Expand Same exact spelling. Valery Gerasimov per the wikipedia bio has a single son but it doesn't give his name. Perhaps he has none now. Quote
romad1 Posted March 8, 2022 Posted March 8, 2022 Hearing that several other senior officers killed at that meeting. Quote
romad1 Posted March 8, 2022 Posted March 8, 2022 On 3/8/2022 at 12:43 AM, romad1 said: Chechen this out Expand Kids! If ROMAD can teach you one thing. Remember, if you are within range of an enemy's artillery or anything else that can target you via geo-location turn off your cell phones! Particularly if you are breed of savage monster who threatens atrocities against women and children. Quote
Edman85 Posted March 8, 2022 Posted March 8, 2022 On 3/7/2022 at 11:20 PM, Tigerbomb13 said: Expand Quote
gehringer_2 Posted March 8, 2022 Posted March 8, 2022 On 3/8/2022 at 12:34 AM, romad1 said: New information... Not confirmed Expand will be hard for Putin to keep that one a secret from the relevant people - if true.... Quote
romad1 Posted March 8, 2022 Posted March 8, 2022 On 3/8/2022 at 1:52 AM, gehringer_2 said: will be hard for Putin to keep that one a secret from the relevant people - if true.... Expand fer sure. Quote
1984Echoes Posted March 8, 2022 Posted March 8, 2022 On 3/8/2022 at 12:34 AM, romad1 said: New information... Not confirmed Expand Holy Crap! Quote
1984Echoes Posted March 8, 2022 Posted March 8, 2022 On 3/8/2022 at 12:43 AM, romad1 said: Chechen this out Expand Holy Crap TWO!!! Quote
romad1 Posted March 8, 2022 Posted March 8, 2022 Saw this last night. I can't imagine the anxiety of any Ukrainian peacekeeper stationed around the world while this war was going on Quote
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