romad1 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: US Gov seemed to be playing this one very circumspectly all day. Which is fine, you don't need to shout when the facts are already doing it for you. We doubtless gave them the information. We doubtless know from our sensors what happened to the ship. Russia deserves every bit of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 12:57 PM, romad1 said: Both huge and true the Swedes and Finns should just tell the Russians they can waste all the money they want arming their side of the border, it won't bother them because as any fool would know, they have no intention of invading Russian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Good feature on OSINT on PBS News right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Russia warns the US not to add more weapons. [Rolls eyes] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Didn't know that. Since there was so much money spent on shore fortifications over history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chasfh Posted April 15, 2022 Author Share Posted April 15, 2022 17 hours ago, romad1 said: As admirable as Zelensky has been. He is not the leader of the free world. I think what Zelenskyy has done to rally his country to war against the bully next door has been nothing short of amazing. And you can understand his frustration at Russia not being stopped militarily by NATO from pummeling Ukraine and those unfortunate citizens unable to get to a train going west. I’m with you, though: had Biden not stepped up and led the Western allies to arm Ukraine, Kyiv and Zelenskyy might both be a soldering pile of rubble right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, chasfh said: I think what Zelenskyy has done to rally his country to war against the bully next door has been nothing short of amazing. And you can understand his frustration at Russia not being stopped militarily by NATO from pummeling Ukraine and those unfortunate citizens unable to get to a train going west. I’m with you, though: had Biden not stepped up and led the Western allies to arm Ukraine, Kyiv and Zelenskyy might both be a soldering pile of rubble right now. Both were unlikely choices at the beginning of 2022. Biden's chief virtue was not being Trump and Zelensky was a well-meaning fool. Biden is still an elderly man with malapropisms to match but a giant heart and a clear eye as to what bullys are and how they need to be addressed. And served by some very talented advisors. Zelensky has become a symbol of fortitude. As much owing its traditions to the Warsaw ghetto uprising and the birth struggles of Israel as to Ukraine's long history of resentments as a slave to Russia. Edited April 15, 2022 by romad1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted April 15, 2022 Author Share Posted April 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, romad1 said: Both were unlikely choices at the beginning of 2022. Biden's chief virtue was not being Trump and Zelensky was a well-meaning fool. Biden is still an elderly man with malapropisms to match but a giant heart and a clear eye as to what bullys are and how they need to be addressed. And served by some very talented advisors. Zelensky has become a symbol of fortitude. As much owing its traditions to the Warsaw ghetto uprising and the birth struggles of Israel as to Ukraine's long history of resentments as a slave to Russia. When you say Zelenskyy was a well-meaning fool, do you mean he was an actual fool, all unserious, or do you mean he was merely perceived as a fool and then showed everyone his true mettle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 So Vlad now says he’s going to reduce Kyiv to rubble in retaliation for the warship, but at the same time denies that the Ukraine sunk it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, chasfh said: When you say Zelenskyy was a well-meaning fool, do you mean he was an actual fool, all unserious, or do you mean he was merely perceived as a fool and then showed everyone his true mettle? the latter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said: So Vlad now says he’s going to reduce Kyiv to rubble in retaliation for the warship, but at the same time denies that the Ukraine sunk it? Must be the only way to save it from the Nazis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Just now, Tigeraholic1 said: meh - you know the Russian bureaucracy - they will likely just float through the work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gilmore Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 I think the investigators have this weird sinking feeling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Pakistan's military is looking annoyed at Imran Khan for his visit to Moscow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 28 minutes ago, romad1 said: Pakistan's military is looking annoyed at Imran Khan for his visit to Moscow Curious how some countries are just so pathologically bad at governance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Tigeraholic1 said: they'd be better off going budget and just hiring Velma instead of the entire crew at Mystery Incorporated. Honestly the rest of the crew just strike me as stoner losers that just basically exist so the team can split up while Velma solves the crime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Curious how some countries are just so pathologically bad at governance. They've turned to China in a big way. Lets see how that works out for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, romad1 said: They've turned to China in a big way. Lets see how that works out for them. TBF, Khan did as a play on his anti-Americanism. Not as clear to me there is much potential for deeper affinity between China and Pakistan. From the Chinese side Pakistan is basically a religiously based country that is sympathetic to Islamic evangelism and that is anathema to China. OTOH, the middle classes in Pakistan have a strongly Western world view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: TBF, Khan did as a play on his anti-Americanism. Not as clear to me there is much potential for deeper affinity between China and Pakistan. From the Chinese side Pakistan is basically a religiously based country that is sympathetic to Islamic evangelism and that is anathema to China. OTOH, the middle classes in Pakistan have a strongly Western world view. whatever is hostile to India is good for the Pakistani military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 1 minute ago, romad1 said: whatever is hostile to India is good for the Pakistani military. right - that too. Then again, if Pakistan did move East, would that move India move West? Might be the better end of the bargain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: right - that too. Then again, if Pakistan did move East, would that move India move West? Might be the better end of the bargain! The quad with Australia, India, Japan and the United States is an anti-China alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Seeing this note in my twitter feed about Russia threatening nuclear escalation. Time to call Vladdie and tell him that we will kill him immediately with fire if he does anything with Nuclear weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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