Mr.TaterSalad Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 On 4/17/2022 at 10:43 PM, romad1 said: It would be good if she loses by enough that she and Putin can't put her forward again Marine Le Pen is allegedly crook and a far right grifter? Where have I seen this story before? Looks like Le Pen may spend some time in the Pen if these allegations are true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 The Alamo of Ukraine, God bless them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 History rhymes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Not out of the woods yet, but Macron has seen his numbers rise anywhere from 3-5% in the polls since the First Round concluded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Russia seems troubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 He might have been encouraged to commit suicide, it's hard to say. It seems odd to shoot one daughter but leave the other one here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 8 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: The Alamo of Ukraine, God bless them. Not certain about Ukrainian, but that works perfectly in English: "Remember The Alamo". "Remember Mariupol". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 They did the thing! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Don’t forget the cost of freedom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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romad1 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 my brain is having a hard time processing this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tigerbomb13 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, romad1 said: This is just staggering if true, considering Russia’s size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 basically he's arguing for a full mobilization in Russia.I would think that if Putin thought that his propaganda machine could have built the support for that he would already have done it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: basically he's arguing for a full mobilization in Russia.I would think that if Putin thought that his propaganda machine could have built the support for that he would already have done it. As we all know, Ukraine has already got full mobilization. Edited April 20, 2022 by romad1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said: This is just staggering if true, considering Russia’s size. figure the math. Russia's population is 3.5X Ukraine. The Russians require 1 yr of military service. Ukraine is basically on a full mobilization basis so you are getting participation from the whole age range of maybe 17-40. Russia's one year conscript numbers plus the numbers of their 'professional' troops actually can't match that without the kind of draft/mobilization that Girkin is talking about. If the West supplies sufficient technology to counter Russian air and missile advantage, it's realistic to predict we get more of what we have gotten to far -- the Russians can kill a lot of civilians but will struggle to achieve strategic objectives. And of course ironically, as the fighting moves east more of those civilian casualties will be Russian speakers. Edited April 20, 2022 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: figure the math. Russia's population is 3.5X Ukraine. The Russians require 1 yr of military service. Ukraine is basically on a full mobilization basis so you are getting participation from the whole age range of maybe 17-40. Russia's one year conscript numbers plus the numbers of their 'professional' troops actually can't match that without the kind of draft/mobilization that Girkin is talking about. If the West supplies sufficient technology to counter Russian air and missile advantage, it's realistic to predict we get more of what we have gotten to far -- the Russians can kill a lot of civilians but will struggle to achieve strategic objectives. And of course ironically, as the fighting moves east more of those civilian casualties will be Russian speakers. Modern warfare is a real mix. You can't train troops on the complex systems overnight. Giving a gun or an APC to a newbie is one thing. Teaching a small unit how to update its crypto every day, teaching the young officers how to call-for-fire or air support is harder. The Russians don't do those things apparently because they don't trust young officers to do those things. This is one of those organizational DNA things. The British and American armies have strong resilient NCO cadres which have saved their asses in fights all over the globe. We shared that with the Ukrainians and they have benefited a lot from that. The Russians do not have this NCO class and its made them rigid and inflexible. Edited April 20, 2022 by romad1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 14 hours ago, romad1 said: Modern warfare is a real mix. You can't train troops on the complex systems overnight. Giving a gun or an APC to a newbie is one thing. Teaching a small unit how to update its crypto every day, teaching the young officers how to call-for-fire or air support is harder. The Russians don't do those things apparently because they don't trust young officers to do those things. This is one of those organizational DNA things. The British and American armies have strong resilient NCO cadres which have saved their asses in fights all over the globe. We shared that with the Ukrainians and they have benefited a lot from that. The Russians do not have this NCO class and its made them rigid and inflexible. Related: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) It's starting to look like the idea is to starve them. Edited April 21, 2022 by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, chasfh said: It's starting to look like the idea is to starve them. With Putin you can count on that being some kind of lie, the only question is from which direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 23 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: With Putin you can count on that being some kind of lie, the only question is from which direction. I don't know, I'm inclined to take Putin's word for this one. Even a stopped clock tells the truth twice a day. Plus, it's not as though Putin is saying they're pulling out and giving the Ukrainians a break. Blockading them to starve them out is still an aggressive act of war. The trick is going to be making the blockade stand strong against what I assume will be Ukrainian bombardment of their positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 This is not a well man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, romad1 said: This is not a well man Grain of sand and all of that, but a lot of people are saying Parkinson’s. He doesn’t seem or look well at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 The corset that JFK wore is what kept him upright for the fatal head shot by Oswald. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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