Where Do Things End With Vlad? (h/t romad1)

[romad1]

I think we are giving Russia a lot of pain back for what they did to us in Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan and Iraq.  And if the RAF did this...then so much the better: collective whoop ass. 

 

[gehringer_2]

  On 4/23/2022 at 2:07 PM, romad1 said:

Incredible from the perspective of 2014 or any point during the Soviet era.

 

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There is an interesting history piece on the CSIS web site about the history of the Muscovy elite’s fixation with expropriating and thus voiding Ukrainian nationality going back to Moscovy’s emergence after the fall of the Mongol Khanate. Putin comes out of a looooong tradition. 

Edited April 23, 2022 by gehringer_2

[Jim Cowan]

  On 4/23/2022 at 2:59 PM, gehringer_2 said:

There is an interesting history piece on the CSIS web site about the history of the Muscovy elite’s fixation with expropriating and thus voiding Ukrainian nationality going back to Moscovy’s emergence after the fall of the Mongol Khanate. Putin comes out of a looooong tradition. 

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I can't find it...do you have a link?

[romad1]

This is evil

 

[gehringer_2]

  On 4/23/2022 at 3:55 PM, Jim Cowan said:

I can't find it...do you have a link?

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https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-war-ukraine-identity-history-and-conflict

[romad1]

very snarky

 

[1984Echoes]

  On 4/23/2022 at 2:40 PM, romad1 said:

I think we are giving Russia a lot of pain back for what they did to us in Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan and Iraq.  And if the RAF did this...then so much the better: collective whoop ass. 

 

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Absolute SWEETNESS.

[Jim Cowan]

  On 4/23/2022 at 9:33 PM, gehringer_2 said:

https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-war-ukraine-identity-history-and-conflict

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Thanks

[gehringer_2]

I'd missed this  - apparently the more dead Russian Oligarchs.

 

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/two-russian-oligarchs-found-dead-one-day-apart-alongside-wives-and-children/

One family murder/suicide - tragedy. Two or three - definitely conspiracy.

[romad1]

  On 4/24/2022 at 4:07 AM, gehringer_2 said:

I'd missed this  - apparently the more dead Russian Oligarchs.

 

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/two-russian-oligarchs-found-dead-one-day-apart-alongside-wives-and-children/

One family murder/suicide - tragedy. Two or three - definitely conspiracy.

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  Quote

“Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action”

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Ian Flemming

[mtutiger]

Big win... polls underestimated Macron yet again!

[chasfh]

  On 4/10/2022 at 8:07 PM, romad1 said:

Appears Macron is safe.  This is the biggest of big deals. 

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Safe as can be.

 

[1984Echoes]

  On 4/24/2022 at 6:02 PM, mtutiger said:

Big win... polls underestimated Macron yet again!

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Good.

[mtutiger]

Can I just say that the western press did an absolutely terrible job covering this election?

Marine Le Pen did close the gap some by the runoff in head to head polling, but first round polling underestimated Macron and Macron gained a good 5-7 points in polls in the interregnum between the first round and second round.

I know I will get the usual comments about complacency and whatnot, but once things started moving against her after round one, her goose was cooked. Yet you wouldn't have known it from how the Times covered it.

[gehringer_2]

  On 4/24/2022 at 6:02 PM, mtutiger said:

Big win... polls underestimated Macron yet again!

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it would be nice to believe this is the end of the road for the Le Pen 'dynasty', but probably not....

[mtutiger]

  On 4/24/2022 at 6:16 PM, gehringer_2 said:

it would be nice to believe this is the end of the road for the Le Pen 'dynasty', but probably not....

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Despite my last post, I do agree with this. There is still long range risk.

[romad1]

Putin still has cash on hand to spend in Western elections.  He's still in control of the German Socialist party. 

[1984Echoes]

He gave himself a monstrous black mark on Russian funding with the invasion of Ukraine.

Now anyone accused of taking Russian blood money will suffer in elections/ polls/ popularity.

That's a general statement... so I know there will still be some supporters of hard right wing politics/ fascism, etc...

But I think, in general, support of Russia/ fascism/ taking Russian money is going to be in a huge downswing over the next 5-10 years...

[1984Echoes]

PS: Starting... already.

[romad1]

  On 4/24/2022 at 6:35 PM, 1984Echoes said:

He gave himself a monstrous black mark on Russian funding with the invasion of Ukraine.

Now anyone accused of taking Russian blood money will suffer in elections/ polls/ popularity.

That's a general statement... so I know there will still be some supporters of hard right wing politics/ fascism, etc...

But I think, in general, support of Russia/ fascism/ taking Russian money is going to be in a huge downswing over the next 5-10 years...

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The German SPD is not hard right:  just controlled by one of Vladdie's operatives.

But the general principle applies for sure.

[1984Echoes]

That's why I tried to make it more general in my description than just the hard right parties...

[romad1]

  On 4/24/2022 at 6:48 PM, 1984Echoes said:

That's why I tried to make it more general in my description than just the hard right parties...

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Not busting your chops...you've been solidly aware of all of the shenanigans.

[romad1]

Now we need Trump to take a bloodbath like this one that Putin's candidate is taking. 

[Motown Bombers]

 

Edited April 24, 2022 by Motown Bombers

[romad1]