romad1 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) I mean, imagine if the Iraqis or Taliban had sunk the USS New Jersey after a few hours of craptasticly feeble damage control? Edited April 13, 2022 by romad1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Incredible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 26 minutes ago, romad1 said: this is so huge! Well that'll take care of the "source: trust me bro" comments from the bots lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Russian Navy says to Russian Air Force, Russian Army and Spetznatz: "hold my beer" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 (edited) yes - as per above - Russian navy has confirmed fire on board, claims it was an ammunition accident. Riiiiiiight. Quote If the strike is confirmed, it would suggest that Ukraine's anti-ship missile inventory is capable of penetrating heavy air defenses. Among Soviet-era vessels, Moskva is the hardest of targets, possessing three fire-control radars, two search radars, two heavy antiaircraft cannons, six 30mm CIWS cannons, 20 short-range surface-to-air missiles and 64 long-range air defense missiles. https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/ukraine-claims-to-have-struck-the-flagship-of-russia-s-black-sea-fleet Edited April 14, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Ironically enough, the ship was built in Ukraine before the fall, and originally named 'Slava' (Glory). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 (edited) So even if you take the Russians at their word, they've just been forced to use a claim of one kind of incompetence to try to head off reporting of the fact of another. Also, as per the Russians (not the Ukrainians), the crew has abandoned ship. Not, "the crew is on board putting out the fire", or "the crew is restoring the situation to normal". Naval crews generally abandon ships that are going to sink. https://news.usni.org/2022/04/13/russian-navy-confirms-severe-damage-to-black-sea-cruiser-moskva-crew-abandoned-ship Edited April 14, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gehringer_2 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 On the flip side, Russians claiming they have forced a surrender in Mariupol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: On the flip side, Russians claiming they have forced a surrender in Mariupol. They are claiming that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 If the Russians have prisoners they will be videoed post haste, so the claim isn't likely to be in question long one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 I think we have an Alamo on our hands here. Or a Roark's Drift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Some interesting details...if true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 A Ukrainian pilot talks the limitations of MIG29s - that they need something better. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/13/ukrainian-fighter-pilots-mig-29-russians/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 4 hours ago, romad1 said: I think we have an Alamo on our hands here. Or a Roark's Drift. I couldn't understand any of that but I am hoping for Rorke's Drift, not the Alamo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Come on everybody, Zelenskyy is the Leader of The Free World. Listen to him, and do exactly what he tells you to do. This means you Blinken, understand your role, you are subordinate to Zelenskyy. Obey Zelenskyy's commands and deliver to him everything that he needs, he shouldn't have to shame you into doing it. Russia was a nuclear threat a month ago, before a whole bunch of generals got killed and a whole bunch more got replaced and a whole bunch of old KGB guys got imprisoned. If Putin gave the nuclear order today, would it be carried out, or would it be the last straw before a military coup? Is Putin still a nuclear threat? I don't think so. A month ago I wanted to avoid a military conflict at all costs, but now I think with every day that passes that Putin does not have a nuclear option. So I say to you, the United States, obey your leader, Zelenskyy, and move in the NATO weapons and personnel to kick the living shit out of the Russians because there isn't a thing that they can do about it. But that is just me and how I have evolved over the past month. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mtutiger Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 9 hours ago, Jim Cowan said: Come on everybody, Zelenskyy is the Leader of The Free World. Listen to him, and do exactly what he tells you to do. This means you Blinken, understand your role, you are subordinate to Zelenskyy. Obey Zelenskyy's commands and deliver to him everything that he needs, he shouldn't have to shame you into doing it. Russia was a nuclear threat a month ago, before a whole bunch of generals got killed and a whole bunch more got replaced and a whole bunch of old KGB guys got imprisoned. If Putin gave the nuclear order today, would it be carried out, or would it be the last straw before a military coup? Is Putin still a nuclear threat? I don't think so. A month ago I wanted to avoid a military conflict at all costs, but now I think with every day that passes that Putin does not have a nuclear option. So I say to you, the United States, obey your leader, Zelenskyy, and move in the NATO weapons and personnel to kick the living shit out of the Russians because there isn't a thing that they can do about it. But that is just me and how I have evolved over the past month. All of this true, and why I now call him the "Paper Czar" The West has to stop being led around by the nose by this guy. All of the threats seem empty... he's still selling gas in Euros, he's backing off nukes, etc. His vaunted military has underperformed on just about every metric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: All of this true, and why I now call him the "Paper Czar" The West has to stop being led around by the nose by this guy. All of the threats seem empty... he's still selling gas in Euros, he's backing off nukes, etc. His vaunted military has underperformed on just about every metric. As admirable as Zelensky has been. He is not the leader of the free world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Russia admitting that their Black Sea flagship is not floating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, romad1 said: Russia admitting that their Black Sea flagship is not floating US Gov seemed to be playing this one very circumspectly all day. Which is fine, you don't need to shout when the facts are already doing it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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