Where Do Things End With Vlad? (h/t romad1)

[Jim Cowan]

Have the mass graves been found yet?

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said:

Russians just emptied out of Kherson completely so no face-to-face confrontations.

No fact to face, but the twitter reports were that last night the Ukranians shelled the retreating RU troops pretty mercilessly at the river.

[1984Echoes]

2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

No fact to face, but the twitter reports were that last night the Ukranians shelled the retreating RU troops pretty mercilessly at the river.

"All's fair in Love & War...".

Except war criming/ genocide that is...

Shelling retreating troops is fair game.

[gehringer_2]

Strong statement by Jake Sullivan on US position on negotiations in this thead(sorry the formatting sucks):

 

 

Edited November 12, 2022 by gehringer_2

[romad1]

2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Strong statement by Jake Sullivan on US position on negotiations in this thead(sorry the formatting sucks):

 

 

And Sullivan is the "squish" in the US National Security apparatus.

[CMRivdogs]

 

[gehringer_2]

42 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

 

Russians just have no clue. If Poland were to do no more than send its troops into Ukraine just to man the non-combatant borders to free more Ukrainian troops for the front, Russia's already weak battlefield position would likely become completely untenable. At the other end NATO could simple close Ukrainian air space, include that over Crimea, to Russian aircraft. Game over for Russians in Sevastopol.

Edited November 15, 2022 by gehringer_2

[1984Echoes]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

 

DO it.

[smr-nj]

33 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

DO it.

Let’s hope that Poland, and NATO, and the US aren’t as eager as you seem to be to start WWIII.

How about we wait for confirmation from ALL involved.  And then all can contemplate a response in unison.  
 

BTW, I know that Russians have so far said “it wasn’t us“, however how soon before they adopt the MAGA automatic “fake news, it was Ukraine” mantra…. And again, how long before Trump himself throws that out there.

Also, Donald’s going to be pissed that this is going to steal his announcement thunder. lol.

[romad1]

10 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

Let’s hope that Poland, and NATO, and the US aren’t as eager as you seem to be to start WWIII.

How about we wait for confirmation from ALL involved.  And then all can contemplate a response in unison.  
 

BTW, I know that Russians have so far said “it wasn’t us“, however how soon before they adopt the MAGA automatic “fake news, it was Ukraine” mantra…. And again, how long before Trump himself throws that out there.

Also, Donald’s going to be pissed that this is going to steal his announcement thunder. lol.

That latter part is great.

[1984Echoes]

2 hours ago, smr-nj said:

Let’s hope that Poland, and NATO, and the US aren’t as eager as you seem to be to start WWIII...

Who said anything about WWIII?

Article 5 has nothing to do with WWIII.

Try again.

[smr-nj]

9 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Who said anything about WWIII?

Article 5 has nothing to do with WWIII.

Try again.

Lol.  You seem to go out of your way to be insulting in your answers.  In all the forums.  Why is that?  

[1984Echoes]

6 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

Lol.  You seem to go out of your way to be insulting in your answers.  In all the forums.  Why is that?  

 

2 hours ago, smr-nj said:

Let’s hope that Poland, and NATO, and the US aren’t as eager as you seem to be to start WWIII....

 

I consider this response to be insulting.

[smr-nj]

🕊. Yeah. You’re totally a dove. 😂

[Screwball]

3 hours ago, smr-nj said:

Let’s hope that Poland, and NATO, and the US aren’t as eager as you seem to be to start WWIII.

How about we wait for confirmation from ALL involved.  And then all can contemplate a response in unison.  
 

<snip>

Thank you - a voice of reason.

[romad1]

So, the story emerges that it was Ukrainian air defense system.   Biden did not take the raw meat.  Measured response.   Note well. 

 

I like that this walked all over Trump's attempt to steal the spotlight.

Edited November 16, 2022 by romad1

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

So, the story emerges that it was Ukrainian air defense system.   Biden did not take the raw meat.  Measured response.   Note well. 

 

I like that this walked all over Trump's attempt to steal the spotlight.

Odd or maybe worrisome that the Poles didn't know where came from immediately if they had their air defense radars running, which you would think they would given a war next door.

[romad1]

33 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Odd or maybe worrisome that the Poles didn't know where came from immediately if they had their air defense radars running, which you would think they would given a war next door.

And Exxon was surely not trying to crash the Valdez but they did

[Tigeraholic1]

Friendly fire

 

 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

And Exxon was surely not trying to crash the Valdez but they did

are you saying there may be a little vodka consumption going on in Poland? Who knew?

[romad1]

2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

are you saying there may be a little vodka consumption going on in Poland? Who knew?

Wasn't but...sure

[gehringer_2]

10 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Wasn't but...sure

IIRC correctly, the accepted popular wisdom is that Hazelwood was MIA as he was sleeping one off - though he had certainly disputed that with some level of support.

[romad1]

14 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

IIRC correctly, the accepted popular wisdom is that Hazelwood was MIA as he was sleeping one off - though he had certainly disputed that with some level of support.

The Royal Navy used to hang Admirals. 

[ewsieg]

22 hours ago, smr-nj said:

Let’s hope that Poland, and NATO, and the US aren’t as eager as you seem to be to start WWIII.

 

19 hours ago, Screwball said:

Thank you - a voice of reason.

I didn't realize we had so many Russian assets on this forum. 

Meanwhile, friendly fire raised legitimate talk about article 5 from NATO, so please tell me again how WWIII talk is so far out of left field.

[Screwball]

32 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

 

I didn't realize we had so many Russian assets on this forum. 

Meanwhile, friendly fire raised legitimate talk about article 5 from NATO, so please tell me again how WWIII talk is so far out of left field.

The entire war is insanity.  We have now sent how many billions (70-90?) to one of the most corrupt countries in the world, while provoking a nuclear power, rejecting detente, feeding endless war bullshit (propaganda) to our people via the mouth organs of the press (hate to break this to you, but Russia is NOT losing this war, and won't)?  WTF?  Oh, and Ukraine has a GDP about the size of Nebraska.  Double WTF?

Maybe the people who want this war so damn bad should shut the fuck up and go fight themselves.  And no, I won't apologize for not being a war monger, so save your agastitude.

One more thing, if anyone doesn't think all these sanctions to get Russia, Russia, Russia isn't causing pain here and around the world (only to get worse) then you are not paying attention.  You might want to remove your head from your ass.