Where Do Things End With Vlad? (h/t romad1)

[chasfh]

  On 4/27/2023 at 1:45 PM, digitalpigsmuggler said:

Ukraine 'tried to ASSASSINATE Putin using drone loaded with explosives that crashed just miles from industrial estate dictator was due to visit near Moscow', German media claims

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12019935/Ukraine-tried-ASSASSINATE-Putin-using-drone-loaded-explosives-German-media-claims.html

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I don't see why I should be horrified.

[chasfh]

  On 4/27/2023 at 1:37 PM, pfife said:

I dont think Musk would be eligible per constitution, born in South Africa

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I agree with you, but even setting that aside, too many people know too much about Musk to give him a majority to elect him president. Granted, I thought everyone knew all about Trump in 2016, too, and I was wrong then, but I don't think I'm wrong this time, and I think we have seven years of Trump to thank for opening people's eyes.

[gehringer_2]

  On 4/27/2023 at 2:22 PM, chasfh said:

I agree with you, but even setting that aside, too many people know too much about Musk to give him a majority to elect him president. Granted, I thought everyone knew all about Trump in 2016, too, and I was wrong then, but I don't think I'm wrong this time, and I think we have seven years of Trump to thank for opening people's eyes.

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The problem is that people *thought* they knew a lot about Trump from watching in "Reality" TV, but of course reality TV is thoroughly scripted, massaged and air-brushed, so Trump got the double benefit of being able present himself just as 'falsely' as any actor playing a role, as all the while the hollywood appartus of the 'Apprentice' - as do all 'reality' shows - continually promulgated a fantasy about its reality.

[romad1]

Musk has his fans that are bizonkers.   Its one of those things that appeals to a certain non-religious scientific person who thinks the highest aspiration of man is interplanetary travel. 

[Tiger337]

  On 4/27/2023 at 2:22 PM, chasfh said:

I agree with you, but even setting that aside, too many people know too much about Musk to give him a majority to elect him president. Granted, I thought everyone knew all about Trump in 2016, too, and I was wrong then, but I don't think I'm wrong this time, and I think we have seven years of Trump to thank for opening people's eyes.

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Musk could absolutely win if he were eligibile.  Trump even more so.  Triump made a fool of himself for 4 years and still got a huge number number of votes in 2020.  He could also win again and I don't get the general feeling here that he couldn't.  Maybe my faith in humanity is not strong enough.    

[romad1]

 

[smr-nj]

In plain sight.  They don’t even feel the need to deny what they are doing… working against the interests of our country.

 

[Jim Cowan]

  On 4/27/2023 at 9:03 PM, Tiger337 said:

Musk could absolutely win if he were eligibile.  Trump even more so.  Triump made a fool of himself for 4 years and still got a huge number number of votes in 2020.  He could also win again and I don't get the general feeling here that he couldn't.  Maybe my faith in humanity is not strong enough.    

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It's not impossible.  His place of birth might be the only thing that would prevent it.  Will his cult following grow enough to demand an amendment?

[chasfh]

  On 4/27/2023 at 9:03 PM, Tiger337 said:

Musk could absolutely win if he were eligibile.  Trump even more so.  Triump made a fool of himself for 4 years and still got a huge number number of votes in 2020.  He could also win again and I don't get the general feeling here that he couldn't.  Maybe my faith in humanity is not strong enough.    

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But he didn't win. That's the point I'm making. He skated in once, but he didn't do it again, he won't be able to do it again (unless he can figure out how to steal the election), and Musk would never be able to do it. I see no way someone who is disgusted with Trump—which is most people—come back around and say, gee, I was wrong about Trump, I like the cut of his jib after all.

[chasfh]

  On 4/27/2023 at 5:31 PM, romad1 said:

Musk has his fans that are bizonkers.   Its one of those things that appeals to a certain non-religious scientific person who thinks the highest aspiration of man is interplanetary travel. 

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That would never be a majority of people who would vote for him and elect him as president. Ordinary people who want nothing to do with a guy like that—which is most people—would have to be drugged to do it.

[Tiger337]

  On 4/27/2023 at 10:30 PM, chasfh said:

But he didn't win. That's the point I'm making. He skated in once, but he didn't do it again, he won't be able to do it again (unless he can figure out how to steal the election), and Musk would never be able to do it. I see no way someone who is disgusted with Trump—which is most people—come back around and say, gee, I was wrong about Trump, I like the cut of his jib after all.

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If we go into a deep recession or if inflatuion is still high, it will be blamed on Biden and his opponet could win.  

[Motown Bombers]

Wrong thread....

Edited April 27, 2023 by Motown Bombers

[romad1]

  On 4/27/2023 at 10:44 PM, Tiger337 said:

If we go into a deep recession or if inflatuion is still high, it will be blamed on Biden and his opponet could win.  

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i know you didn't spell this word but I thought about this video when I saw your typo

the actress Kay Lenz in this video was a smoke show.

[romad1]

  On 4/27/2023 at 10:31 PM, chasfh said:

That would never be a majority of people who would vote for him and elect him as president. Ordinary people who want nothing to do with a guy like that—which is most people—would have to be drugged to do it.

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yes...I don't think there would be a constituency for him even if he was a US citizen and eligible.   He's made his case a lot worse since Twitter. 

[Tiger337]

  On 4/28/2023 at 12:45 AM, romad1 said:

i know you didn't spell this word but I thought about this video when I saw your typo

the actress Kay Lenz in this video was a smoke show.

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I make so many typos now.  I think it's an age thing.  

[romad1]

  On 4/28/2023 at 12:47 AM, Tiger337 said:

I make so many typos now.  I think it's an age thing.  

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I'm just coming off the field where I was coaching a bunch of 14U girls softball players. 

"FOCUS T337, FOCUS!  You got this!"

[Jim Cowan]

  On 4/28/2023 at 12:47 AM, Tiger337 said:

I make so many typos now.  I think it's an age thing.  

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I thought that inflatuation means that everyone is farting a lot

[Tiger337]

  On 4/27/2023 at 10:30 PM, chasfh said:

But he didn't win. That's the point I'm making. He skated in once, but he didn't do it again, he won't be able to do it again (unless he can figure out how to steal the election), and Musk would never be able to do it. I see no way someone who is disgusted with Trump—which is most people—come back around and say, gee, I was wrong about Trump, I like the cut of his jib after all.

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He didn't win largely because of his association with Covid.  If Covid never happened, I believe he'd be President now.  Most people are disgusted with Trump personally, but might think there are economic benefits to his being president.  I remembers polls during his presidency showing that even a fairly large percentage of independents though he did a good job on the economy.  I don't think Presidents impact the economy much, but it doesn't matter what I think.  

[romad1]

MTG would still praise him if he was involved in a mass shooting.

[chasfh]

  On 4/28/2023 at 10:35 AM, romad1 said:

MTG would still praise him if he was involved in a mass shooting.

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There is a distressingly lot of popular subculture that feeds this particular fantasy.

[digitalpigsmuggler]

U.S. Wires Ukraine With Radiation Sensors to Detect Nuclear Blasts

The United States is wiring Ukraine with sensors that can detect‌‌ bursts of radiation from a nuclear weapon or a dirty bomb

 

https://dnyuz.com/2023/04/28/u-s-wires-ukraine-with-radiation-sensors-to-detect-nuclear-blasts/

[digitalpigsmuggler]

Russia has been making gradual gains in the city of Avdiivka in the Donetsk region. Non-stop bombardment has pushed back Ukrainian troops in many parts of the city. Avdiivka, which is just 90 kilometres south of Bakhmut, is the new target of the Russian army. Relentless attacks have turned the city into a place from post-apocalyptic movies, resulting in a nearly full shutdown. But there are a few citizens who have refused to leave despite the bombings. On April 18, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky visited the city of Avdiivka. Notably, the Russian attacks on the city have only intensified since then.

Hindustan Times

[CMRivdogs]

Makes sense to me. Assign the blame elsewhere 

 

 

[romad1]

  On 4/29/2023 at 12:31 AM, CMRivdogs said:

Makes sense to me. Assign the blame elsewhere 

 

 

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Who benefited 

[gehringer_2]

  On 4/29/2023 at 12:56 AM, romad1 said:

Who benefited 

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I would look at this from the standpoint of Russian internal processes. The "West is all against Russia"  is central to Putins entire narrative structure. It was becoming clear that the pipeline had little chance to produce $$ for Russia because stopping gas flow was becoming an imperative for both sides. Given that, that last political value he could salvage on the home front would be to  sabotage it, blame the West or Ukraine and take it as another example of Western biligerance againt Russia.  And I can imagine that when Putin was weighing options he asked the question "but if we blow it up now can we fix it later" his minions certainly assured him - based on Russia's underwater capabilities -  that  it could be done - without having given proper consideration (if any) to the damage salt water intrustion would have done by the time rolled around for a repair to be attempted.