gehringer_2 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) UAV's hitting Moscow today. Odds seems about even whether they were launched by Ukraine or Putin. Edited May 30, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 NASA FIRES website is hard to read. If what I'm seeing is UAV or partisan activity or just a fire... Novorossiysk is one of their non Crimea naval bases. It would be interesting if Ukraine was hitting that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Closeup of the base area. Clearly something is happening near the docks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 And by "hitting that" i do not mean sexually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, romad1 said: So, not to get all shoe-slammy-on the table but I do think we need to make clear to Vladdy that anything involving killing a US politician would be beyond a thick red line. We are funding a proxy war that has significantly diminished his regime at this point. Not sure exactly how to draw that red line at this point. Obviously killing a US Senator is beyond any acceptable red line... And deserves the harshest response possible... But just talking realistic here: There's no way killing Putin is part of that response. American policy is we don't assassinate foreign leaders. And, that's just not going to happen, even in this instance. If he ordered/ succeeded in killing a US President...? Maybe. Something to think about... But the next step down from direct assassination would be a war to eliminate the adversarial government, to include the guy at the top.... and that's not realistic either. Invade Russia? As bad a shape as they are in currently... not going to happen. What does that leave us with, as a harsh response? At the very least, this: 1) Close all Russian consulates, and kick out 100% Russian diplomats in the U.S. Kick them all out. 2) Declare Russia an International Terrorist state. Also at the U.N. We have American policies on the books that come into play when we declare a terrorist state. That's what the US does. The United Nations also has policies against terrorist states, I believe, although I'm not certain what actions they take specifically. 3) Speaking of the UN, kick Russia out of the Security Council. They've never filed the proper paperwork. They just assumed the seat when the Soviet Union dissolved. Making it exceptionally easy to do this. Have any Russian diplomat attempting to enter a Security Council meeting escorted out... by security. Preferably Ukrainian Security. In order for Russia to gain re-admittance into the Security Council, they would need to be approved by 100% of the remaining members (15 at-large I believe, plus 4 permanent after Russia's removal) and the US has a veto so... Russia will never get back in. Period. Offer up Ukraine as the new permanent member, to take the old Soviet Union permanent seat. Vladdy would love that. 4) Congress is required for an Act of War. So this won't happen. Even as near and dear as Graham was, I am certain of this, to all his fellow Senators and House critters... But they can also authorize a military response. The correct military response is: all Russian military naval vessels are fair game outside their exclusive economic zone, for retaliation. For the murder of a US Senator. So they are effectively, verboten outside the Baltic and Black Seas, and outside their Arctic coastline. This is us, not the UN. Sevastopol would be a problem to attack anyways, with potential huge loss of American lives. But their ships in Syria or Cyprus port could all be attacked/ sunk. And any ship on the open seas could be attacked/ sunk. If they want to attack back, let them try. They know they've overstepped their bounds with an American political assassination so my guess is they slink all back (submarines with nukes included) to their home ports and close shop. Effectively, they are shut out of being an international player. Not 100%. But damn near. And they would have to figure out how to get back into the good graces of the international community. Unless they prefer to become North Korea 2.0. Which means: the Russian elites would probably assassinate Putin and replace him with a new regime. So... same result but only they can do the dirty work (the Dirty Deed Done Dirt Cheap). Edited May 30, 2023 by 1984Echoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 17 minutes ago, romad1 said: Closeup of the base area. Clearly something is happening near the docks. Upon further review...this may have a non-interesting cause as all NASA fires data has. The proximity to a naval facility is of interest. The actual fire is right on the rail line and right by something called the "museum of the cement industry" which clearly might be an attempt to knock out a critical industry :--). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted May 30, 2023 Author Share Posted May 30, 2023 Anybody here who's thinking of supporting Russia, just remember that they have a long history of hating baseball, which de facto makes them a country of unmitigated evil. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Good thread https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1663852583646011392 sadly, Twitter hates noclador Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 This doesn't appear to match the fire in Novorossiysk but i'm still trying to verify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Nah, the fires do not match what is in NASA FIRES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 6 hours ago, romad1 said: Good thread https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1663852583646011392 sadly, Twitter hates noclador Excellent thread. Excellent points. I'm buying into the ideas 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalpigsmuggler Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said: Excellent thread. Excellent points. I'm buying into the ideas 100%. Every NATO country should be spending 2%. As we have seen there really is no such thing as too big of stockpiles once war breaks out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Getting to be about that time https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1663988798823211009 Pure speculation on noclador's part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Dang, this guy is terrible.. Shoigu is the Ukrainian's secret weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 I'm happy he's unhappy. I don't know what impact this will have but still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Metaphor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Kerch Bridge...come on down! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalpigsmuggler Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 (edited) On 5/30/2023 at 9:24 AM, 1984Echoes said: Obviously killing a US Senator is beyond any acceptable red line... And deserves the harshest response possible... But just talking realistic here: There's no way killing Putin is part of that response. American policy is we don't assassinate foreign leaders. And, that's just not going to happen, even in this instance. If he ordered/ succeeded in killing a US President...? Maybe. Something to think about... But the next step down from direct assassination would be a war to eliminate the adversarial government, to include the guy at the top.... and that's not realistic either. Invade Russia? As bad a shape as they are in currently... not going to happen. What does that leave us with, as a harsh response? At the very least, this: 1) Close all Russian consulates, and kick out 100% Russian diplomats in the U.S. Kick them all out. 2) Declare Russia an International Terrorist state. Also at the U.N. We have American policies on the books that come into play when we declare a terrorist state. That's what the US does. The United Nations also has policies against terrorist states, I believe, although I'm not certain what actions they take specifically. 3) Speaking of the UN, kick Russia out of the Security Council. They've never filed the proper paperwork. They just assumed the seat when the Soviet Union dissolved. Making it exceptionally easy to do this. Have any Russian diplomat attempting to enter a Security Council meeting escorted out... by security. Preferably Ukrainian Security. In order for Russia to gain re-admittance into the Security Council, they would need to be approved by 100% of the remaining members (15 at-large I believe, plus 4 permanent after Russia's removal) and the US has a veto so... Russia will never get back in. Period. Offer up Ukraine as the new permanent member, to take the old Soviet Union permanent seat. Vladdy would love that. 4) Congress is required for an Act of War. So this won't happen. Even as near and dear as Graham was, I am certain of this, to all his fellow Senators and House critters... But they can also authorize a military response. The correct military response is: all Russian military naval vessels are fair game outside their exclusive economic zone, for retaliation. For the murder of a US Senator. So they are effectively, verboten outside the Baltic and Black Seas, and outside their Arctic coastline. This is us, not the UN. Sevastopol would be a problem to attack anyways, with potential huge loss of American lives. But their ships in Syria or Cyprus port could all be attacked/ sunk. And any ship on the open seas could be attacked/ sunk. If they want to attack back, let them try. They know they've overstepped their bounds with an American political assassination so my guess is they slink all back (submarines with nukes included) to their home ports and close shop. Effectively, they are shut out of being an international player. Not 100%. But damn near. And they would have to figure out how to get back into the good graces of the international community. Unless they prefer to become North Korea 2.0. Which means: the Russian elites would probably assassinate Putin and replace him with a new regime. So... same result but only they can do the dirty work (the Dirty Deed Done Dirt Cheap). I think you mean head of state. Even then we tried with Fidel. Because: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinations_by_the_United_States Edited June 1, 2023 by digitalpigsmuggler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Good! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/05/29/ukraine-taiwan-false-choice/ I'm there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 lots of anticipation tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 He must go to jail. Barring that we need to destroy him at the polls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Its on like Donkey Kong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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