Where Do Things End With Vlad? (h/t romad1)

[gehringer_2]

Things getting progressively murkier. Reports that Wagner HQ in multiple places have been 'raided' by interior police. Meanwhile Prigozhin is in Rostov making nice with generals that were calling for him to stand down a few hours ago.  

[mtutiger]

5 hours ago, oblong said:

This is a major development. One of the biggest in years. And the cable networks are MIA.  

Let me guess - they're busy on day 10 of subgate?

[Crazy Cat Gentleman]

 

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[mtutiger]

4 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Things getting progressively murkier. Reports that Wagner HQ in multiple places have been 'raided' by interior police. Meanwhile Prigozhin is in Rostov making nice with generals that were calling for him to stand down a few hours ago.  

I have no idea whether or not Wagner has the muscle to actually stare down the Russian military in some sort of civil war, I'll leave that to the experts. 

But I do think, from a leadership standpoint, this really demonstrates what a fatal flaw it is to have to rely so heavily on a paramilitary force to carry out state actions. Eventually, maybe they can turn on you, especially if they aren't appreciative of the direction you are giving 

[oblong]

 

[jz68]

 

 

Edited June 24, 2023 by jz68

[romad1]

This thread might be wishful thinking but the Friday night timing is curious.

[jz68]

 

[romad1]

I wonder if this coup was the fault of the Hollywood pedophile ring that I am hearing so much about from the MAGAs and Qs?

Edited June 24, 2023 by romad1

[romad1]

Has OAN covered this? 

[gehringer_2]

4 hours ago, mtutiger said:

I have no idea whether or not Wagner has the muscle to actually stare down the Russian military in some sort of civil war,

That's the fun part, so far he hasn't had to - aside from taking down a couple of helicopters early on, no-one in the Russian Army seems to care to fight with him. Putin is finding out there is a down side to beating your nation into passiivity. He produced a nation where no-one cared to oppose him, in the same nation no-one will care to save him. 

Putin is apparently now waiting for Kadyrov to save his butt.

 

4 hours ago, mtutiger said:

But I do think, from a leadership standpoint, this really demonstrates what a fatal flaw it is to have to rely so heavily on a paramilitary force to carry out state actions.

 Yup. Creating free lance armies is pretty much State Suicide 101. Or, as Gandalf would say:

"A Treacherous Weapon is ever a danger to the hand."

Edited June 24, 2023 by gehringer_2

[romad1]

Has the former US President who was impeached for trying to get Ukraine drop dirt on Joe Biden and who had his campaign manager actively working with Russia weighed in on this?

[gehringer_2]

This moring Putin had to address his people on state TV to plead that they resist a military revolt in his army.

Who had that on their bingo card 15mo ago?

Edited June 24, 2023 by gehringer_2

[romad1]

Has anyone interviewed Paul Manafort about these developments? 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

I wonder if this coup was the fault of the Hollywood pedophile ring that I am hearing so much about from the MAGAs and Qs?

The Coup Plans were all on Hunter Biden's laptop.

[1984Echoes]

14 hours ago, romad1 said:

Meanwhile

The perfect distraction for Ukraine to take major advantage of...

[CMRivdogs]

 

[CMRivdogs]

 

[1984Echoes]

55 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Has anyone interviewed Paul Manafort about these developments? 

Where is Pig Smuggler with his multitude of Insider Links...?

He could tell us what Putin is REALLY thinking right about now...

[romad1]

13 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Where is Pig Smuggler with his multitude of Insider Links...?

He could tell us what Putin is REALLY thinking right about now...

He's going to pop up the moment things are slightly moving against the West.  He's cheerleading Putin because of reasons.

[gehringer_2]

Russian State forces fortifying entrance routes to Moscow. Sounds like this so far relatively bloodless rebellion is not going to be bloodless for too much longer. 

[romad1]

The concern now, is that Putin will activate his 5th column in the United States and we will have armed gangs roving the streets of various places where the org that used to be Blackwater (you really have to have a chart to map all of those rebrandings) are located.

[Jim Cowan]

Remember King Louis' forces being sent out to face Napoleon?  They wouldn't fight him.  And then they turned around and joined him.

[smr-nj]

Am I wrong  to be even more worried that Yevgeny replacing Putin is a “crazier trumps crazy” situation?
 
 

[Crazy Cat Gentleman]

2 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

Am I wrong  to be even more worried that Yevgeny replacing Putin is a “crazier trumps crazy” situation?
 
 

No. As far as I'm concerned, they have to both lose.