Crazy Cat Gentleman Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Although I have to say that it doesn't seem like Prigozhin is coming for Pootie himself, just the MoD. But I guess we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 25 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Russian State forces fortifying entrance routes to Moscow. Sounds like this so far relatively bloodless rebellion is not going to be bloodless for too much longer. IDK, this feels more like Kabul 2021 where the insurgents just kept outkicking their coverage and the fall happened much sooner than expected. It really all depends on the will of Russian forces closer to Moscow... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Crazy Cat Gentleman said: Although I have to say that it doesn't seem like Prigozhin is coming for Pootie himself, just the MoD. But I guess we'll see. These are all bad guys - no good guys to be found. I do imagine that some of the resentment that Prigozhin is tapping into has to do with the aimless nature of how Putin and MOD have continually fed Russians into this unwinnable meat grinder of a war. Seems like there is a best case scenario that involves a reassessment of that conflict. But I wouldn't trust any of these guys lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) Prigozhin is certainly a bad actor. The thing is that it's not really clear what he wants. Early statements were to the effect that he wanted to clean out the MoD so Russia could *continue* the war more effectively, and that Putin himself was a victim of MoD incompetence and misinformation. That was before we heard from Putin and it was unclear whether this was some 3D chess level ploy of his to re-create a more pliant defence establishment. But Putin made it clear this morning that whatever green lights he's giving Prigozhin in the past he wants him stopped now. So what is Prigozhin? He's not an ideological revolutionary, he's not a freedom fighter/reformer. He is a creep, but what else? He's looking to me like the dog that may catch the UPS truck. What's he going to do with it? Does he even know? Edited June 24, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 15 minutes ago, smr-nj said: Am I wrong to be even more worried that Yevgeny replacing Putin is a “crazier trumps crazy” situation? Prigozhin is an oaf, and it does feel strange to be cheering for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said: Where is Pig Smuggler with his multitude of Insider Links...? He could tell us what Putin is REALLY thinking right about now... Swine Flu?? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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romad1 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Prigozhin is evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, romad1 said: Prigozhin is evil. That’s the vibe I’m getting…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Very interesting reports of a Ukrainian cross river operation in Kherson. More than a few tanks ferried across the river. Thunder run into Crimea or recce in force… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 12 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Swine Flu?? That deserves a like but i’m gonna have to ration them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Well now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jz68 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Looks like Ukraine is taking advantage of the situation...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 12 minutes ago, romad1 said: Well now This is just crazy. Good job Putin, good decision to liberate Ukraine. Hope you enjoyed that joyous welcome from the Ukrainians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 22 minutes ago, romad1 said: Very interesting reports of a Ukrainian cross river operation in Kherson. More than a few tanks ferried across the river. Thunder run into Crimea or recce in force… They've also swarmed into Bakhmut I'm hearing... After all that hard work and dead (mostly convicts) Wagnerites and some Russian soldiers to achieve such a victory... And to lose it so quickly right back... How sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, jz68 said: Looks like Ukraine is taking advantage of the situation...... Go, go, go!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: How sad. Not. Edited June 24, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: Not. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 LOLOL - Now Prigozhin says it's all over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jz68 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Booooooooooooooooooooooo!!! 🤬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, jz68 said: Booooooooooooooooooooooo!!! 🤬 You know what they say about the weather in Michigan. Give it ten minutes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, romad1 said: That deserves a like but i’m gonna have to ration them. Any one have left over brain cells from Howard Stern and Private Parts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) "from the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step" Regardless, if Prigozhin is simply allowed to return the status quo ante - the civil defense panic around Moscow and Putin's pledge to make all the rebels pay leaves him looking like a cockolded fool. Not to mention a slight issue of several aircraft apparently downed by Wagner forces yesterday. Putin now playing Henry II to Prigozhin's Beckett: "Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest/(read warlord)?" Any way you slice it, Russian stability has taken another notch downward. Edited June 24, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 One can only surmise that there is a volume of shoes left to drop on this episode - Imelda Marcos volume even. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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