digitalpigsmuggler Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) Edited July 27, 2023 by digitalpigsmuggler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalpigsmuggler Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Russia-Ukraine war live: Kyiv’s Zaporizhzhia push unsuccessful, says Putin Quote Vladimir Putin says “hostilities have intensified significantly” in southeastern Ukraine, but that Kyiv’s push in the Zaporizhzhia region “wasn’t successful” https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/7/27/russia-ukraine-war-live-overnight-air-attack-targets-odesa-port Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Thomas C. Theiner on Twitter: "Yesterday russia unleashed its most complex missile strike on Ukraine yet. All in a futile attempt to destroy the Su-24 aircraft at Starokostiantyniv Air Base that launch every day Storm Shadows at russian ammo depots, logistics hub, command post and lines of communication. 1/3 https://t.co/X5PwQNscqr" / Twitter Apparently the Storm Shadow and the French version (name escapes me at the moment) hammers are having their effect on Russia's ability to counter the Ukrainian artillery. Also, X doesn't like NOCLADOR's tweets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalpigsmuggler Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Quote Ukrainian forces launched a significant mechanized counteroffensive operation in western Zaporizhia Oblast on July 26 and appear to have broken through certain pre-prepared Russian defensive positions south of Orikhiv. Geolocated footage indicates that Ukrainian forces likely advanced to within 2.5km directly east of Robotyne during the attack before Russian forces employed standard doctrinal elastic defense tactics and pushed Ukrainian troops back somewhat, although not all the way back to their starting positions. Quote The New York Times reported on July 27, citing two anonymous Pentagon officials, that the “main thrust” of the Ukrainian counteroffensive has begun in earnest. Minor gains, also keep in mind this isn't even the main defensive line of Russia. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-26-2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Good progress... Despite what Vladimir Putin and Digital Pig Smuggler are declaring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalpigsmuggler Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said: Good progress... Despite what Vladimir Putin and Digital Pig Smuggler are declaring. There has been no break through. Russian defensive lines are doing what they are supposed to do. Elastic defense. It isn’t even the main defensive line. Ukraine has lost western made equipment for yards of progress. Edited July 27, 2023 by digitalpigsmuggler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 1 hour ago, digitalpigsmuggler said: There has been no break through. Russian defensive lines are doing what they are supposed to do. Elastic defense. It isn’t even the main defensive line. Ukraine has lost western made equipment for yards of progress. Says Vladimir Putin. Propaganda, happily repeated, verbatim, by DPS. Your "yards" is not correct, not even close. "Elastic defense" is PURE Russian propaganda which you've repeated WORD-FOR-WORD. And Ukraine has not "lost" western made equipment. They've recovered most of it and it's in repair shops as we speak. Oh wait, did you expect ZERO equipment or human lives lost in trying to kick Russian invaders out? This is NOT a video game BTW... there are actual DEAD Ukrainian soldiers trying to save their land from the Russian Nazi's who are murdering their wives and children, or kidnapping them. Expecting ZERO equipment or human lives to be lost in a war is a completely ASININE expectation, IMO. Try finding credible sources... not Vladimir Putin or any of his lying propaganda outlets. Question: why are you so EAGER to repeat Russian propaganda? Are you Russian? Do you LOVE fascism or HATE democracy? I mean.. you are actually EAGER to propagate Russian lies. I'm just asking... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Says Vladimir Putin. Propaganda, happily repeated, verbatim, by DPS. Your "yards" is not correct, not even close. "Elastic defense" is PURE Russian propaganda which you've repeated WORD-FOR-WORD. And Ukraine has not "lost" western made equipment. They've recovered most of it and it's in repair shops as we speak. Oh wait, did you expect ZERO equipment or human lives lost in trying to kick Russian invaders out? This is NOT a video game BTW... there are actual DEAD Ukrainian soldiers trying to save their land from the Russian Nazi's who are murdering their wives and children, or kidnapping them. Expecting ZERO equipment or human lives to be lost in a war is a completely ASININE expectation, IMO. Try finding credible sources... not Vladimir Putin or any of his lying propaganda outlets. Question: why are you so EAGER to repeat Russian propaganda? Are you Russian? Do you LOVE fascism or HATE democracy? I mean.. you are actually EAGER to propagate Russian lies. I'm just asking... You know he's spreading it to all and sundry for his bosses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Good for the 2/3rds who refuse The rest need to f all the way off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 also, Sy Hersh should f all the way off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 49 minutes ago, romad1 said: also, Sy Hersh should f all the way off For a supposed specialist apparenlty Hersh doesn't know anything about Russian idiom. I imagine you saw that the supposed "US official" used an idiom common in Russian ("waif in underwear") that is pretty much unkown in English - which should have been a dead give away he was dealing with a Russ. Edited July 27, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: For a supposed specialist apparenlty Hersh doesn't know anything about Russian idiom. I imagine you saw that the supposed "US official" used an idiom common in Russian ("waif in underwear") that is pretty much unkown in English - which should have been a dead give away he was dealing with a Russ. Yeah, saw that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, romad1 said: Yeah, saw that. So it's pretty clear that the level of Russian disnfo maps directly with the battle field stress they are under. I suppose the idea being to try to bury whatever bad news seeps out domestically under an increase in the propaganda noise level. I did see a report from a Polish(IIRC) research group that claims evidence that Russian State Television's credibilty has been dropping with the public but who knows if that's accurate or even whether it makes a difference if it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Yeah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalpigsmuggler Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Quote Russian forces destroyed 39 armored vehicles out of 50 that Ukrainian forces committed to intensified assaults in the Zaporizhia direction. Russian forces also killed 60 percent of the Ukrainian personnel that conducted these assaults as well as 40 percent of Ukrainian combat aviation pilots in the area. Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations on at least three sectors of the front on July 27 and made gains in some areas, although Ukrainian forces appear not to have continued significant mechanized assaults south of Orikhiv in western Zaporizhia Oblast. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-27-2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalpigsmuggler Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Russia repels major attack near Zaporizhzhia as Ukraine resumes 'intensive offensive' Quote Ukraine has apparently launched a major offensive as the Russian army said on Wednesday (July 26) that it had repelled a Ukrainian attack involving several hundred soldiers near the town of Orikhiv in the south. The ministry further said that "all attacks of the Armed Force of Ukraine were repelled. Positions were held". A report by CNN mentioned, citing two US officials, that Ukraine has committed more forces to its counteroffensive in the southeast. he New York Times reported that unnamed Pentagon officials believe that the "main thrust" of the counteroffensive had now begun. The official noted that the Ukrainian army poured thousands of Western-trained and equipped reinforcements into a perceived weak spot in Russian defences in the Zaporizhzhia region. Quote In Ukraine's eastern Donetsk region, the Russian military claimed that it progressed in the direction of Lyman after reporting an advance of up to two kilometres on Tuesday. https://www.wionews.com/world/russia-repels-major-attack-in-south-as-ukraine-resumes-intensive-offensive-619791 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 damn right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Add to Romas1’s post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 Russian scum get treated as scum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 You just can't trust the North Koreans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 So, really only those who are being paid or extorted by the fascist regime in Moscow are on Putin's side But plenty are --or are so handicapped by the sunk cost fallacy of supporting the politician and his family who are being controlled by Moscow -- that we have the illusion that its a larger number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, romad1 said: So, really only those who are being paid or extorted by the fascist regime in Moscow are on Putin's side So Tim Snyder's whole "History of Ukraine" class at Yale last fall is on Youtube. Up to lecture 4. State should make it a part of whatever Continuing Ed req's they have. One amusing point he raised is how the purely quantitative OSINT type guys have done a better job forecasting events in the war than the conventional political/military establishment, because not knowing any 'conventional' history, they didn have so much to unlearn before they got to reality. Edited July 29, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 43 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: So Tim Snyder's whole "History of Ukraine" class at Yale last fall is on Youtube. Up to lecture 4. State should make it a part of whatever Continuing Ed req's they have. One amusing point he raised is how the purely quantitative OSINT type guys have done a better job forecasting events in the war than the conventional political/military establishment, because not knowing any 'conventional' history, they didn have so much to unlearn before they got to reality. So you are quoting a subjective observation about the efficacy of objective measures and lack of efficacy of subjective measures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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