Where Do Things End With Vlad? (h/t romad1)

[chasfh]

15 hours ago, romad1 said:

Impressions of media in NATO land:  The public is leading on the revulsion at Russia.   News on French, British, Belgian, German and Dutch TV was very hostile to Russia/Putin.

Not surprising since they are on the front lines in Europe. Americans have always engaged in the hubris of believing we are beyond real danger due to the oceans that separate us.

[Tigeraholic1]

 

[gehringer_2]

41 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

 

I think Ukrainian supporters would like to see the same leverage applied on Taurus and ATACMS as happened with the Abrams and the Leopards: i.e. Germany signals they want to wait for the US to approve ATACMS to send Taurus. That increases pressure on the US whereas as straight out German approval would decrease pressure on the US.

Edited August 10, 2023 by gehringer_2

[romad1]

about time but welcome news

 

[romad1]

oops 

https://x.com/michaeldweiss/status/1690360976598589442?s=46&t=76Y1aNflZsD8yrwQrvLC2g

[romad1]

3 hours ago, romad1 said:

oops 

https://x.com/michaeldweiss/status/1690360976598589442?s=46&t=76Y1aNflZsD8yrwQrvLC2g

lets try this one again

previous attempt did not embed. 

[gehringer_2]

3 hours ago, romad1 said:

lets try this one again

previous attempt did not embed. 

Possible. Radiation is more closely associated with leukemia and myeloma, but if he believes it's karma, that's all that matters.

[romad1]

57 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Possible. Radiation is more closely associated with leukemia and myeloma, but if he believes it's karma, that's all that matters.

Pretty much every man on this planet will get some form of prostate cancer on a long enough timeline.  

[gehringer_2]

Russians lost another MIG. This time over Ford Lake in Belleville!

[romad1]

3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Russians lost another MIG. This time over Ford Lake in Belleville!

Probably the most messed up day of my young life was the Ramstein Flugtag disaster.  

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2023/08/13/fighter-jet-crash-ypsilanti-willow-run-thunder-over-michigan-air-show/70585564007/

[gehringer_2]

We heard some kind of fast fighter aircraft fly over earlier in the day - like as not that one. Pilots bailed into the lake and were fished out. The MIG found the parking lot of an apartment. Just think, we may get a Farmer's Insurance commercial about the claim for a pickup truck taken out by a MIG.

[romad1]

The pro-Ukrainian press reported it thusly

 

[pfife]

Apparently crashes happened somewhat often at airshow, I was surprised to hear that.

That airshow out of Willow Run is so awesome.    We went and hung out in a parking lot last year for a few hours for the blue angels and it was such a great experience.    We decided then we were going to try to officially attend in upcoming years but did not this year because wife was out of town.   

I hope this doesn't impact whether the show goes on but if this is relatively common it may be prudent.

[oblong]

flying is never routine.  Throw in older aircraft and aging pilots.

 

[Tigeraholic1]

52 minutes ago, pfife said:

Apparently crashes happened somewhat often at airshow, I was surprised to hear that.

That airshow out of Willow Run is so awesome.    We went and hung out in a parking lot last year for a few hours for the blue angels and it was such a great experience.    We decided then we were going to try to officially attend in upcoming years but did not this year because wife was out of town.   

I hope this doesn't impact whether the show goes on but if this is relatively common it may be prudent.

Nothing more I enjoy on a sunny afternoon (OK, maybe a Tigers game) then watching an air show. Growing up in Battle Creek 4th of July weekend Thunderbirds were the best.

[gehringer_2]

12 hours ago, romad1 said:

Probably the most messed up day of my young life was the Ramstein Flugtag disaster.

Aerobatics in bleeding edge technology platforms moving at 1000 ft/sec in the vicinity of large numbers spectators is one of those things that if you thought about in a vacuum, you might doubt actually happens, then you'd realize you knew better. 

Have been to one. It was spectacular but the heat was almost fatal (NAS Miramar, when it was still that)

Edited August 14, 2023 by gehringer_2

[CMRivdogs]

I've watched my share of the Chicago Air and Water Show. Also a few of the airshows at NAS Oceania. Still nothing compares to just driving along and seeing a couple of jets heading out for maneuvers as you cruise to lunch

[Jim Cowan]

Hamilton Ontario used to have a fabulous air show on Father's Day, but not any more.  Can't get insurance.

[pfife]

Back in the early 90s I went to one in Oshkosh Wisconsin and it was unreal.   Saw the Harrier, SR-71, Stealth....   so many different jets.    Insane!

[pfife]

4 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said:

Hamilton Ontario used to have a fabulous air show on Father's Day, but not any more.  Can't get insurance.

Did they borrow planes from America?

[Jim Cowan]

22 minutes ago, pfife said:

Did they borrow planes from America?

Lol there was an occasional appearance from a P51 or something similar.  The emphasis was always on WW2 planes including the local Lancaster bomber, one of the only 2 left in the world.  It still flies over my house a couple of times a year.

[Tigerbomb13]

I was driving east on I-94 to drop my sister off from Ann Arbor to Macomb County, and saw those planes in the air. Didn’t see the crash though. Wild. 

Edited August 14, 2023 by Tigerbomb13

[romad1]

2 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

I've watched my share of the Chicago Air and Water Show. Also a few of the airshows at NAS Oceania. Still nothing compares to just driving along and seeing a couple of jets heading out for maneuvers as you cruise to lunch

Virginia Beach and the Langley area are amazing for the jets beating up the sky.   

[romad1]

1 hour ago, Jim Cowan said:

Lol there was an occasional appearance from a P51 or something similar.  The emphasis was always on WW2 planes including the local Lancaster bomber, one of the only 2 left in the world.  It still flies over my house a couple of times a year.

I would love to see a Mosquito.  That is one of my WWII airplane crushes.  

[Jim Cowan]

3 minutes ago, romad1 said:

I would love to see a Mosquito.  That is one of my WWII airplane crushes.  

It looks like we don't have one at warplane.com