Where Do Things End With Vlad? (h/t romad1)

[romad1]

Finally we have ATACMS

[Tigeraholic1]

23 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Finally we have ATACMS

[romad1]

positive development

 

[gehringer_2]

4 hours ago, romad1 said:

positive development

 

Kyvv advising Ukrainian citizens to get out of Crimea. I'm sure that's part pysops, but it could also mean an attempt to take down the Kerch bridge is imminent. It's the inevitable step.

Edited September 24, 2023 by gehringer_2

[romad1]

This feels like a big story that won’t surprise but will impact many

 

[romad1]

again..

[gehringer_2]

interesting read:

https://warontherocks.com/2023/09/biting-off-what-it-can-chew-ukraine-understands-its-attritional-context/

[ewsieg]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

interesting read:

https://warontherocks.com/2023/09/biting-off-what-it-can-chew-ukraine-understands-its-attritional-context/

Interesting.  I was never in the military, but one thing that I suspect is overblown in this article though is the centralized vs decentralized context.  It's not like the old days where it might take a day to get a message back to the general about changes at the front line, it's real time.  My uncle has mentioned to me that they would get real time feedback from morning raids in Iraq that resulted in changes in how they did afternoon raids.  Low level leaders were still able to make changes, even if the overall directive didn't change right away.  

[gehringer_2]

14 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

Interesting.  I was never in the military, but one thing that I suspect is overblown in this article though is the centralized vs decentralized context.  It's not like the old days where it might take a day to get a message back to the general about changes at the front line, it's real time.  My uncle has mentioned to me that they would get real time feedback from morning raids in Iraq that resulted in changes in how they did afternoon raids.  Low level leaders were still able to make changes, even if the overall directive didn't change right away.  

Yeah - there were several comments after the post to the effect that the US Mil does have the capability to push initiative back down the CoC. But I was more interested in the Ukraine end of the story; the argument that Ukraine is probably matching tactics to conditions in a more optimal way than many have given them credit for recently. Even Michael Kofman, one of the primary WOTR writers, has in the past noted lack of larger scale combined arms action by Ukraine as a failing/limitation

Edited September 28, 2023 by gehringer_2

[1984Echoes]

Excellent article... Thank you!

[Jim Cowan]

18 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

interesting read:

https://warontherocks.com/2023/09/biting-off-what-it-can-chew-ukraine-understands-its-attritional-context/

Interesting for sure.

[romad1]

if only there were not nuclear weapons involved. 

[chasfh]

Everybody going into a war always says it will be over and they will win within a matter of hours, or days, or weeks at the most. Nobody ever says we're going to war and it's going to be a slog for years.

[romad1]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Everybody going into a war always says it will be over and they will win within a matter of hours, or days, or weeks at the most. Nobody ever says we're going to war and it's going to be a slog for years.

or 2 decades

[romad1]

well, dur

 

[CMRivdogs]

Yea, sure. 

Edited October 5, 2023 by CMRivdogs

[chasfh]

58 minutes ago, romad1 said:

well, dur

 

And he has not already been doing all of this how, exactly?

Edited October 5, 2023 by chasfh

[chasfh]

BTW, to be clear, pro-Russian political party = the Republican Party, aka the party of Joe McCarthy. This is what America has evolved into.

[romad1]

If he blabbed about Submarine tech...imagine what he'd blab about Iron Dome

 

[pfife]

The fact is currently it is unfunded and was specifically removed from CR just passed and there's no way to do anything about it or Israel in CO guess right now.

That you happen to be optimistic about the funding is tangential.

[CMRivdogs]

2 hours ago, romad1 said:

If he blabbed about Submarine tech...imagine what he'd blab about Iron Dome

 

[ewsieg]

3 hours ago, romad1 said:

If he blabbed about Submarine tech...imagine what he'd blab about Iron Dome

Wait, so he did get intelligence briefings and when he did he paid attention to them now?   Also, our intelligence would give the president details on how to bypass the Iron Dome and not just a high level concern about the Iron Dome?  

[romad1]

1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

Wait, so he did get intelligence briefings and when he did he paid attention to them now?   Also, our intelligence would give the president details on how to bypass the Iron Dome and not just a high level concern about the Iron Dome?  

The briefings were probably spliced with porn and snuff films so he’d pay attention.

[ewsieg]

5 hours ago, pfife said:

The fact is currently it is unfunded and was specifically removed from CR just passed and there's no way to do anything about it or Israel in CO guess right now.

That you happen to be optimistic about the funding is tangential.

Ukraine is not unfunded.  That's laughable.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/06/us/politics/ukraine-aid-congress.html#:~:text=How much has the United,gone to the Defense Department.

Contracts have already been finalized that will continue to send arms to Ukraine for years.  If needed, we'll do a little "accounting" as well.  

 

 

 

[pfife]

paywalled