mtutiger Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Translation: Quote Vladimir Putin took upon himself, without a drop of exaggeration, a historical responsibility by deciding not to leave the SOLUTION OF THE UKRAINIAN ISSUE to future generations. After all, the need to solve it would always remain the main problem for Russia. state agency RIA Novosti Good God, that's dark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 each night that comes with Kyiv still standing is another day for the Ukrainians to build out and organize resistance from exile, and another hammer blow in the forging of a national identity that will feed it. Putin may win on the battle field for a time, but the blood he sheds does nothing but fertilize the growth of Ukrainian nationalism. Interesting parallels here to the American revolution. The colonies were full of Englishmen, with history and ties to England not unlike those between Ukraine and Russia, but the actions of a wayward King forged an enduring new national identity despite that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 12 hours ago, chasfh said: I wonder how easy or difficult is it for a Russian to mimic a Ukrainian accent? Russia is a big country and I would guess there’s a wide variation of accents, particularly influenced by decades of influx of comrades from nearby client Soviet states which have their own languages. That would surely influence the way they speak Russian. Assuming Russian soldiers come from all over Russia, how likely is it that an undercover Russian soldier can consistently fool all the Ukrainians around him with his attempt at a local accent? I myself can tell someone is Canadian by the way they speak, pretty much thanks to growing up with channel 9, but even so, I probably couldn’t effectively fake a Canadian accent to literally save my life. And this doesn’t even contemplate local accent variations within Ukraine itself. If a young male somebody I’ve never seen before shows up in my neighborhood speaking Ukrainian with a weird accent that kind of sounds like it comes from another part of the country, wouldn’t that be suspicious? In case you didn't know: Half of the country speaks Russian as their first/ native language, not Ukrainian. That would be mostly East of the River Dnieper. And the other half speaks Ukrainian as their native language. Most Ukrainian-speaking Ukrainians can also speak Russian. A much lower percent who speak Russian as a first language can speak Ukrainian. That would certainly complicate things... But if someone doesn't speak Ukrainian, you immediately interrogate in order to establish a Ukrainian versus a Russian infiltrate soldier. I'm sure they can ask a few questions that could establish someone's knowledge and, as you said accent.. that could determine the difference... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 11 hours ago, romad1 said: This feels like "ghost of kiev" BS but I like it That is fucking awesome. Russians trying to enter Kyiv: all road signs say: "Russians, Go Fuck Yourselves -->" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 9 hours ago, mtutiger said: This is an EXCEPTIONAL move!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 7 hours ago, oblong said: Is all of the denouncing matter without arms and troops? I mean I can denounce it standing here in my kitchen. What makes theirs more meaningful unless they offer something I can’t. Germany has decided to send 1,000 anti-tank weapons and 500 anti-plane weapons to Ukraine, and is allowing German derived technology to be sent to Ukraine. The Netherlands promptly decided to send 400 German-made RPG's to Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: This is an EXCEPTIONAL move!!! This, combined with the actions taken to kick them out of the SWIFT banking system could do some real damage. Unlike other sanctions presently being inflicted, these seem like tangible actions that might inflict real pain to Putin and the overall Russian economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 6 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: At some point you have to wonder if the Russian General staff is going to hold all in with Putin. It's one thing to roll into to town and take over the government with almost no shooting as in Checko '68, or even to shoot at Arabs or Chechens, this is asking guys from Ohio to go to war with Missouri when the guys in MO are shooting back. I'm dreaming when I say this, but imagine if they got so fed up they did a coup and removed him from power. Having a military dictatorship or one of Putin's underlings take over isn't perfect, but if it ended the war, that's a plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 39 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: each night that comes with Kyiv still standing is another day for the Ukrainians to build out and organize resistance from exile, and another hammer blow in the forging of a national identity that will feed it. Putin may win on the battle field for a time, but the blood he sheds does nothing but fertilize the growth of Ukrainian nationalism. Interesting parallels here to the American revolution. The colonies were full of Englishmen, with history and ties to England not unlike those between Ukraine and Russia, but the actions of a wayward King forged an enduring new national identity despite that. Beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: I'm dreaming when I say this, but imagine if they got so fed up they did a coup and removed him from power. Having a military dictatorship or one of Putin's underlings take over isn't perfect, but if it ended the war, that's a plus. I'm not going to think about this... But if it happens, I will applaud. I don't want to get my hopes up. But also because it won't tell us what is the future direction of a New Russia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 I'm too nauseous to look but I'm seeing stuff on twitter about tongue bath for Putin by Trump at CPAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, romad1 said: I'm too nauseous to look but I'm seeing stuff on twitter about tongue bath for Putin by Trump at CPAC The BOOT-LICKING of Putin by Trump and his minions has gone way, way, WAY beyond DISGUSTING/ CONTEMPTIBLE/ GROTESQUE. Edited February 27, 2022 by 1984Echoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 30 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: I'm dreaming when I say this, but imagine if they got so fed up they did a coup and removed him from power. Having a military dictatorship or one of Putin's underlings take over isn't perfect, but if it ended the war, that's a plus. Gotta watch the Oligarchs... there's power in numbers if they say enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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romad1 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Another observation about what appears to be the case from the available information: Russia has a lot of low-flying aircraft getting hit by shoulder fired weapons. Conclusion: They lack the ability to engage from atmosphere like 1st World forces can. The US would have been able to use PGMs guided by GPS (generic term...Russia uses something slightly less good called GNSS). I recall a discussion that Russia's GNSS would not be used in Ukraine. https://receive.news/02/18/2022/russia-should-abandon-glonass-over-loran-invasion-of-ukraine/ As it turns out this isn't great because it will teach China to improve their PGM use when they go up against the US and Japanese navies when they try to take Taiwan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 grain of salt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Seems to match what I've seen. The Russians don't appear willing to do their amphibious assault on Odessa yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 I would love to give Putin a figurative (well, actually literal... but I think we will just have to do with figurative...) heart attack. Poland invades Byelorussia and makes it all the way to Minsk in an attempt to evict Lukashenko. WWPD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) Setting aside how despicable the comment is, I can't imagine sitting watching the last four days and then coming away with the impression that Putin is the smart one here Edited February 27, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 A real military -- particularly one from a country that produces fuel -- would have figured out how to supply their vehicles with fuel. Its not hard. You know how much fuel a vehicle burns in a day. You know that the fuel needs to get to a certain point where the armor and trucks can get to it before it can fight. If you can't master this stuff you won't win a war on a modern battlefield. Clearly the mypillow guy that Putin had telling him that this would be easy was not a master logistician Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Good professional advice from those who spent may years of the last two decades fighting in cities. Baghdad and Fallujah are not Kiev but the ideas are sound. thread/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: Gotta watch the Oligarchs... there's power in numbers if they say enough. It would be nice to think if they really get squeezed that financially that they say fuck it and attempt to make a move after Putin. Again a military dictatorship or an oligarchic/military hybrid dictatorship would be little better, but at least it would presumably end the war and hopefully any following occupation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pfife Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 31 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Setting aside how despicable the comment is, I can't imagine sitting watching the last four days and then coming away with the impression that Putin is the smart one here he such a knob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 31 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Setting aside how despicable the comment is, I can't imagine sitting watching the last four days and then coming away with the impression that Putin is the smart one here When your name is on the black book in Russia, what else can you say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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