Where Do Things End With Vlad? (h/t romad1)

[smr-nj]

  On 3/2/2022 at 2:33 PM, romad1 said:

without comment

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The pained look on his face is visceral. You can feel it in your gut. 😕

[romad1]

  On 3/2/2022 at 4:19 PM, smr-nj said:

The pained look on his face is visceral. You can feel it in your gut. 😕

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Someone posted a video from Z's show where he says "fucking Putin" 

i wish I had that at hand. 

[romad1]

I think the real numbers are closer to 1000 dead and 3000 wounded.  But that's just back of the envelope. 

[Jim Cowan]

  On 3/2/2022 at 1:09 PM, romad1 said:

FTR, i wouldn't mind seizing yachts owned by oligarchs who are tied to the ongoing conflict.  Keep it legal.  

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Absolutely, you don't need to sabotage any property that is not inside your own jurisdiction.  Just confiscate, permanently, assets that are within your own territory and sell them.  I would imagine that most of the Mayfair neighbourhood in London would be for sale, and Chelsea FC as mentioned above is another good example.

[Tigerbomb13]

These would be more war crimes. 

[Tigerbomb13]

  On 3/2/2022 at 2:33 PM, romad1 said:

without comment

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“Denazification”

[romad1]

  On 3/2/2022 at 4:23 PM, romad1 said:

Someone posted a video from Z's show where he says "fucking Putin" 

i wish I had that at hand. 

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Last line

[Archie]

  On 3/2/2022 at 5:05 PM, Tigerbomb13 said:

These would be more war crimes. 

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No doubt that Putin and the Ruskies are committing war crimes.  Big question is what is going to be done about it?  Nothing will be.  If it goes to the UN, China and Russia won't approve any punishment or even an admonishment.  If US or NATO strikes back in retailiation we will be in a nuclear war. The time to stop Putin was before this even started.  We were way to weak to do that and Putin took advantage of it.

[romad1]

Interesting list of abstentions and those who voted in favor of the resolutions.  The ones that did appear to be the ones with functioning democracies.  South Africa tends to be contrarian. 

China abstained.  

[romad1]

I have seen elsewhere that they have been used but this is one of (many of) those things they have shit the bed in terms of integration

 

[CMRivdogs]

I am assuming this is a promising development...

 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[chasfh]

  On 3/2/2022 at 5:32 PM, Archie said:

No doubt that Putin and the Ruskies are committing war crimes.  Big question is what is going to be done about it?  Nothing will be.  If it goes to the UN, China and Russia won't approve any punishment or even an admonishment.  If US or NATO strikes back in retailiation we will be in a nuclear war. The time to stop Putin was before this even started.  We were way to weak to do that and Putin took advantage of it.

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Here’s the $64 question: what could we have done to effectively stop it, put Putin in his place, and entirely avoid war?

[mtutiger]

 

[romad1]

Smashy smashy

 

[romad1]

  On 3/2/2022 at 6:04 PM, chasfh said:

Here’s the $64 question: what could we have done to effectively stop it, put Putin in his place, and entirely avoid war?

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Elect Trump and allow him to fellate Putin 

[mtutiger]

 

[Archie]

  On 3/2/2022 at 6:04 PM, chasfh said:

Here’s the $64 question: what could we have done to effectively stop it, put Putin in his place, and entirely avoid war?

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We need a strong leader and someone who instills fear in our enemies.  Biden is not that person.  The world sees how weak he is and knows he's not playing with a full deck.  Harris isn't effected by dementia but shes a moron who has no business in that position.  It doesn't matter if they're Dem or Rep, strength and and the ability to instill fear is something any POTUS needs. We're in a very bad place right now.

[Tigerbomb13]

  On 3/2/2022 at 6:17 PM, Archie said:

We need a strong leader and someone who instills fear in our enemies.  Biden is not that person.  The world sees how weak he is and knows he's not playing with a full deck.  Harris isn't effected by dementia but shes a moron who has no business in that position.  It doesn't matter if they're Dem or Rep, strength and and the ability to instill fear is something any POTUS needs. We're in a very bad place right now.

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Every time you mention dementia, you know you lose any credibility in what you say, right?

[mtutiger]

  On 3/2/2022 at 6:17 PM, Archie said:

We need a strong leader and someone who instills fear in our enemies.  Biden is not that person.  The world sees how weak he is and knows he's not playing with a full deck.  Harris isn't effected by dementia but shes a moron who has no business in that position.  It doesn't matter if they're Dem or Rep, strength and and the ability to instill fear is something any POTUS needs. We're in a very bad place right now.

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Vladimir Putin was always going to to do this. This was aspirational for him. By all accounts, one thing we can take him at his word on is that he sees the fall of the USSR as a cataclysmic event and that, at 71 years old and reports that maybe he's not in the best of health, he sees restoring Russia to it's previous glory as part of his lasting legacy.

Not everything that happens in the world or every decision a world leader makes revolves around domestic American politics. 

Edited March 2, 2022 by mtutiger

[gehringer_2]

  On 3/2/2022 at 3:21 PM, buddha said:

why would nato moving against ukraine cause china to move against taiwan?  because the us would be too occupied in europe to fight?

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  On 3/2/2022 at 3:30 PM, 1776 said:

In a word, yes. That would be my concern. 

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Just my guess, but the hotter it gets in Europe I think the more China will disengage.

[mtutiger]

  On 3/2/2022 at 6:23 PM, gehringer_2 said:

 

Just my guess, but the hotter it gets in Europe I think the more China will disengage.

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They haven't "broken" with Russia, but I am honestly surprised at how tepid their engagement with Russia is right now, tbh. I would have expected them to be a more closer partner.

[chasfh]

  On 3/2/2022 at 6:04 PM, mtutiger said:

 

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I find it interesting that all of the former Soviet republics either voted no, abstained, or are non-voting members. Looks like none of those guys want to poke the Bear, either. 

[chasfh]

  On 3/2/2022 at 6:17 PM, Archie said:

We need a strong leader and someone who instills fear in our enemies.  Biden is not that person.  The world sees how weak he is and knows he's not playing with a full deck.  Harris isn't effected by dementia but shes a moron who has no business in that position.  It doesn't matter if they're Dem or Rep, strength and and the ability to instill fear is something any POTUS needs. We're in a very bad place right now.

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Please answer the question. What could have been to effectively stop Putin and avoid war entirely?

[mtutiger]

  On 3/2/2022 at 6:30 PM, chasfh said:

Please answer the question. What could have been to effectively stop Putin and avoid war entirely?

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And please be concrete.... no platitudes about "projecting strength", actual concrete actions that would have effectively stopped Putin and avoided this war.

Edited March 2, 2022 by mtutiger