romad1 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 20 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: They've always been a rival of Russia. It's a constant love/ hate relationship. They loved purchasing the S-400's. They must hate his war-threats right now so they sold Ukraine some wicked drones. I recall they were big friends of Azerbaijan in the recent Armenia/Azerbaijan war. These drones were a very successful part of that war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, romad1 said: Arch should know that I gave at the office and then some. He doesn't read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Very appropriate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 11 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said: He doesn't read. Awaiting Arch telling me that the US has no role in Nord2 and we should just butt out of Russian affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Don't forget Biden has a personal financial interest in Ukraine. Joe will do whats best for him and his boy. If Biden shuts down the pipelines in the US why would he support a pipeline in another country? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 I won't forget that Trump tried to strong arm the President of Ukraine for his own political ends. He was impeached over it. Gutless punks in the GOP Senate wouldn't remove him but the facts are plain. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 39 minutes ago, romad1 said: I won't forget that Trump tried to strong arm the President of Ukraine for his own political ends. He was impeached over it. Gutless punks in the GOP Senate wouldn't remove him but the facts are plain. Joe Biden DID strong arm the Ukraine government for his own benefit, bragged about it publically and the gutless punks in the democrat party ignored it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Archie said: Joe Biden DID strong arm the Ukraine government for his own benefit, bragged about it publically and the gutless punks in the democrat party ignored it. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/1/20891510/hunter-biden-burisma-ukraine-shokin Keep making things up and acting like you know what you're talking about. Viktor Shokin, the Prosecutor General in Ukraine, was accused of not being tough enough in fighting systemic corruption in the country. Western allies of Ukraine, including the Obama Administration at the time, wanted Shokin removed and a new Prosecutor General, who would be tougher on anti-corruption measures, installed in as Prosecutor General. Shokin was accused of not moving fast enough into corruption and bribery investigations around Zlochevsky and Burisma. The US DOJ and Obama Administration were considering bringing charges against Burisma themselves. So when Biden delivered the message that the US and other western allies wanted Shokin gone as Prosecutor General, that wasn't exactly a message that would have helped Hunter out. Of course you ignore all that and continue to defend Grifter in Chief Donald Trump who himself and with the assistance of those in his personal network solicited foreign agents and other governments to stay at and utilize Trump properties. You ignore the fact that White House Aid and Daughter to the President Ivanka Trump was seeking trademarks for her clothing and shoe line from the Chinese government while her father, the President of the United States, was negotiating with the Chinese government. Edited January 27, 2022 by Mr.TaterSalad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 18 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/1/20891510/hunter-biden-burisma-ukraine-shokin Keep making things up and acting like you know what you're talking about. Viktor Shokin, the Prosecutor General in Ukraine, was accused of not being tough enough in fighting systemic corruption in the country. Western allies of Ukraine, including the Obama Administration at the time, wanted Shokin removed and a new Prosecutor General, who would be tougher on anti-corruption measures, installed in as Prosecutor General. Shokin was accused of not moving fast enough into corruption and bribery investigations around Zlochevsky and Burisma. The US DOJ and Obama Administration were considering bringing charges against Burisma themselves. So when Biden delivered the message that the US and other western allies wanted Shokin gone as Prosecutor General, that wasn't exactly a message that would have helped Hunter out. Of course you ignore all that and continue to defend Grifter in Chief Donald Trump who himself and with the assistance of those in his personal network solicited foreign agents and other governments to stay at and utilize Trump properties. You ignore the fact that White House Aid and Daughter to the President Ivanka Trump was seeking trademarks for her clothing and shoe line from the Chinese government while her father, the President of the United States, was negotiating with the Chinese government. I'll stick by what I said. However, even you mention Burisma and corruption. Yes that was the company that employed Joe's boy and overpaid him for job he wasn't qualified for. Now if you want to talk about the Chinese, how about we start with all Biden connections. Biden, his family and many people in his administration have ties to China. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 12 minutes ago, Archie said: I'll stick by what I said. However, even you mention Burisma and corruption. Yes that was the company that employed Joe's boy and overpaid him for job he wasn't qualified for. Now if you want to talk about the Chinese, how about we start with all Biden connections. Biden, his family and many people in his administration have ties to China. The Biden/Ukraine thing was easily debunked years ago, but you’ll continue to believe what you want to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 12 minutes ago, Archie said: I'll stick by what I said. However, even you mention Burisma and corruption. Yes that was the company that employed Joe's boy and overpaid him for job he wasn't qualified for. Now if you want to talk about the Chinese, how about we start with all Biden connections. Biden, his family and many people in his administration have ties to China. You provided no counter points or fact to any of what I brought up, didn't bother supporting your point with anything other than your conjecture in the first place, and then brought up another point about Biden and China while offering no facts and again ignoring the provable facts I point out. Keep standing by that conjecture though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Tuckyo Rose has "experts" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Maybe he doesn't consider them NATO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 New Congressional delegation in Kiev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 No wonder Putin and his thugs hated Nuland. She ain't forgetting their plan to rape her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 14 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/1/20891510/hunter-biden-burisma-ukraine-shokin Keep making things up and acting like you know what you're talking about. Viktor Shokin, the Prosecutor General in Ukraine, was accused of not being tough enough in fighting systemic corruption in the country. Western allies of Ukraine, including the Obama Administration at the time, wanted Shokin removed and a new Prosecutor General, who would be tougher on anti-corruption measures, installed in as Prosecutor General. Shokin was accused of not moving fast enough into corruption and bribery investigations around Zlochevsky and Burisma. The US DOJ and Obama Administration were considering bringing charges against Burisma themselves. So when Biden delivered the message that the US and other western allies wanted Shokin gone as Prosecutor General, that wasn't exactly a message that would have helped Hunter out. Of course you ignore all that and continue to defend Grifter in Chief Donald Trump who himself and with the assistance of those in his personal network solicited foreign agents and other governments to stay at and utilize Trump properties. You ignore the fact that White House Aid and Daughter to the President Ivanka Trump was seeking trademarks for her clothing and shoe line from the Chinese government while her father, the President of the United States, was negotiating with the Chinese government. The Biden's involvement in China is no secret except you won't find out from his liberal media. In all fairness the right wing media doesn't post the negative articles about their people either. I don't have time to search and post all the links out there. You can do that yourself if you want to know. Or as some say, ignorance is bliss. You can stay uninformed and live in the liberal fantasy world believing Biden isn't as corrupt as any other long time politician, he's working for the American people and he's got all his marbles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Various reports, including ultra liberal CNN says Zelensky is unhappy with Biden for saying an invasion is certain and Putin says Biden is blowing it out of proportion. Sounds like Biden wants the situation to be worse than it is. That way when there is no invasion Joey will be beating his chest taking credit for solving the problem when he didn't do anything. Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 ultra liberal CNN lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 BTW, if anyone wants to see how much the alt-reich dislikes Victoria Nuland do a google of "Victoria Nuland rape" and you will see that the top search return is a Daily Sturmer piece about "Criminal Jew family of Jewish Criminal Victoria Nuland" which is likely going to not win a Pulitzer this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 CNN is fake news!* *(Except when it reports things which fit my cognitive bias) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Actually, this Nuland thing...provides some interesting details about Tuckyo Rose who used to run the Daily Caller which devoted its space to Oleg Deripaska's column about how Russia was a swell place. An Escort Has a Russian Oligarch in Mueller's Crosshairs Running Scared | Washington Monthly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 17 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/1/20891510/hunter-biden-burisma-ukraine-shokin So when Biden delivered the message that the US and other western allies wanted Shokin gone as Prosecutor General, that wasn't exactly a message that would have helped Hunter out. Everything you said up until this statement was correct, with the caveat that it wasn't just Burisma. Shokin was doing this to everyone he could, Burisma was just one of the many. The message the US and other western allies sent was not an issue, who sent it was. Biden had no business being involved. I'm not sure what you do for a living, but today you arrive to work to learn your boss, who you know hasn't been the most ethical person, has just been fired and you're given his position. They tell you that you're trustworthy and they installed you to change the culture. Soon after, you learn a vendor was tired of dealing with your boss which soured that relationship, a VP from that vendor basically told your CEO that it's your old boss or them and your CEO chose them. Oh, by the way, that VP's son works for one of the groups you oversee and is one of groups which led to your old boss being fired. Maybe you don't care and would march right down to the group and tell them it's time to shape up or ship out, but that situation, forced upon you from an outside force, could definitely change the outcome of how others deal with it. 17 hours ago, Archie said: Now if you want to talk about the Chinese, how about we start with all Biden connections. Biden, his family and many people in his administration have ties to China. Hey now, what's your proof that Joe Biden was 'the big guy' that Hunter referred to? Just because he regularly calls him that doesn't mean that's what he meant here. It was probably Shaq, he's big. That a much more logical jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 One thing we can all agree on is Trump and Biden have corrupt ass kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Archie said: The Biden's involvement in China is no secret except you won't find out from his liberal media. In all fairness the right wing media doesn't post the negative articles about their people either. I don't have time to search and post all the links out there. You can do that yourself if you want to know. Or as some say, ignorance is bliss. You can stay uninformed and live in the liberal fantasy world believing Biden isn't as corrupt as any other long time politician, he's working for the American people and he's got all his marbles. Generally when you make claims like this, the onus is not on the others to others to back up and fact check. No one is going to take any of this seriously, and instead it just comes across as a Tucker Carlson fever dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 On 1/27/2022 at 6:12 AM, Archie said: Why don't you go over there and fight then. Better yet send the wife and kids too. Why is it ok for others to shed their blood for your political gain? If the US gets involved we will look stupid. We have a failed and incompetent Commander in Chief that's extremely weak and the world knows this. US involvement will lead to much bigger and worse things. Thank god I don’t have to turn on Faux News or Overthrow America Network or NewsHax to get this kind of analysis. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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