chasfh Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 4 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: as always, when the Russians screw up, the long term danger is the West decides to overplay its hand and regrets it later. There is a huge emotional need to be punitive to Russia right now, and deservedly so, but the West's has to remember their fight is not in the main with the Russian populace. Revenge that goes beyond Putin is not a long term win. That's why I wish Biden had addressed the Russian people during SOTU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 hours ago, mtutiger said: If you could squint, you could see freedom to associate with EU/NATO being a solid trade in exchange for Crimea.... but in terms of Russia issuing dictates? Hard to see that ever being acceptable to Ukraine given Russian aggression. Also, if Ukraine were to give in to Russian demands now, which amounts to give us what we want and in exchange we'll stop overtly bombing you, which is a terrible bargain, the peace would be only temporary, because they'd surely simply regroup and came back harder next month or next year, whenever it would be. Also, in the meantime, covert efforts against Ukraine would be ramped up as well. The offer is a no win as it stands. In any event, I believe the point of the offer is to be on the record as being for peace. Not that it's fooling anybody, but maybe it's a necessary precondition to engage a certain patron for support (你好, 中华人民共和国). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Denis Kireyev story is shining a light on the cockroaches who are trying to point out that the Ukrainians killed one of their negotiators. Look at the guy who committed "treason" calling out the guy who committed "treason" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 I’m just going to assume it’s Russian propaganda coming from that grifter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Confident Russia, looking very self-assured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Tigerbomb13 said: I’m just going to assume it’s Russian propaganda coming from that grifter. Its not like Putin didn't have operatives all over the place. He has them all over the place in the United States. In fact, Georgie was one. In wartime that can get you killed if counter-intelligence can't allow you to give up Zelensky's position to the Russians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, romad1 said: Confident Russia, looking very self-assured. Obvious move but how dumb do they think their own public is? They don't think the average Russian sees through the fact that only bad news gets suppressed? I hope all it does is allow rumor of how bad it is to run past even the reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: To the discussion earlier about negotiating a settlement, thought provoking thread. The amount of bad faith that Russia has built with their invasion will make any settlement thorny, one would imagine. That, and Ukrainian forces kicking their ass all over the place... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mtutiger Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Equivalent of a 2 Star General... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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romad1 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Equivalent of a 2 Star General... getting hammered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 You mean to tell me you've lost another General? v 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, romad1 said: getting hammered any chance this guy is related to the other General Gerasimov? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 14 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: any chance this guy is related to the other General Gerasimov? Same exact spelling. Valery Gerasimov per the wikipedia bio has a single son but it doesn't give his name. Perhaps he has none now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Hearing that several other senior officers killed at that meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 New information... Not confirmed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Chechen this out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, romad1 said: Chechen this out Kids! If ROMAD can teach you one thing. Remember, if you are within range of an enemy's artillery or anything else that can target you via geo-location turn off your cell phones! Particularly if you are breed of savage monster who threatens atrocities against women and children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Tigerbomb13 said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 hour ago, romad1 said: New information... Not confirmed will be hard for Putin to keep that one a secret from the relevant people - if true.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 16 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: will be hard for Putin to keep that one a secret from the relevant people - if true.... fer sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 hour ago, romad1 said: New information... Not confirmed Holy Crap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 hour ago, romad1 said: Chechen this out Holy Crap TWO!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Saw this last night. I can't imagine the anxiety of any Ukrainian peacekeeper stationed around the world while this war was going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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