1984Echoes Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 46 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: That's why they call it Douche Bank. Something like that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 44 minutes ago, romad1 said: This information is not confirmed but appears to be of a pattern. Two things: 1) I'm not certain if command vehicles are marked as such; but if so, easy targets for the Ukrainians (who can also hear Russian comm's and... get this, both read and translate/understand Russian...) 2) Is senior Russian military leadership at the front lines due to Putin's demand? Or because of current on-the-ground failures to-date? Or both? Regardless, it doesn't seem to be helping much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said: While this seems very far away from happening, the fact that this is being reported this way on state TV is pretty telling. Things can’t be going well right now in Russia. The thing that I wonder is, on top of all the companies pulling out of Russia, what impacts Russia placing bans on popular apps/business (such as Instagram) will have on the population. The Russian people must obviously notice when they pick up their phone and can no longer send, recieve or view content. Or that they cannot buy products from stores they are used to. When you really sit down and think about it, you realize how much of an impact just not having access can upend someone's life. Propaganda can probably help ameliorate the effects, but I doubt it can wipe the effects away entirely. Edited March 11, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Two things: 1) I'm not certain if command vehicles are marked as such; but if so, easy targets for the Ukrainians (who can also hear Russian comm's and... get this, both read and translate/understand Russian...) 2) Is senior Russian military leadership at the front lines due to Putin's demand? Or because of current on-the-ground failures to-date? Or both? Regardless, it doesn't seem to be helping much... Russia is not responding well to the hit and run tactics of the Yookies. They sneak in and hit a vehicle and then bolt. The russians can't radio in for tank or arty support in time. Yookies will also jam the russian radios. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, mtutiger said: The thing that I wonder is, on top of all the companies pulling out of Russia, what impacts Russia placing bans on popular apps/business (such as Instagram) will have on the population. The Russian people must obviously notice when they pick up their phone and no longer send, recieve or view content. Or that they cannot buy products from stores they are used to. Propaganda can probably help ameliorate the effects, but I doubt it can wipe the effects away entirely. For sure. While there is a certain segment that will believe the propaganda, I can see the younger generation especially seeing through this. Banning social media apps is a dead giveaway that something isn’t right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, romad1 said: Russia is not responding well to the hit and run tactics of the Yookies. They sneak in and hit a vehicle and then bolt. The russians can't radio in for tank or arty support in time. Yookies will also jam the russian radios. I was talking about all the Generals or other senior commanders that the Ukrainians keep killing. How are they getting to them? Intelligence? Comm intercepts? Vehicle markings? Any of these 3 points to severe weaknesses on the Russian side in protecting their senior military leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, mtutiger said: The thing that I wonder is, on top of all the companies pulling out of Russia, what impacts Russia placing bans on popular apps/business (such as Instagram) will have on the population. The Russian people must obviously notice when they pick up their phone and can no longer send, recieve or view content. Or that they cannot buy products from stores they are used to. When you really sit down and think about it, you realize how much of an impact just not having access can upend someone's life. Propaganda can probably help ameliorate the effects, but I doubt it can wipe the effects away entirely. propaganda works best when there is no competing narrative. Putin can control the media, but when the reality on the ground become contradictory to the propaganda, public mood can shift to skepticism/rejection very fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: I was talking about all the Generals or other senior commanders that the Ukrainians keep killing. How are they getting to them? Intelligence? Comm intercepts? Vehicle markings? Any of these 3 points to severe weaknesses on the Russian side in protecting their senior military leadership. They are the invaded country. They have sympathetic eyes and smart phones in almost all windows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, romad1 said: Russia is not responding well to the hit and run tactics of the Yookies. They sneak in and hit a vehicle and then bolt. The russians can't radio in for tank or arty support in time. Yookies will also jam the russian radios. This point is worth coming back to - asymmetrical warfare was hard enough for the US to deal with when the opposition had Kalashnikovs and homemade IED's, but supplied the best of western technology and it's going to be (already is?) devastating/unbearable for the Russians. Edited March 11, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: This point is worth coming back to - asymmetrical warfare was hard enough for the US to deal with when the opposition had Kalashnikovs and homemade IED's, but supplied the best of western technology and it's going to be (already is?) devastating/unbearable for the Russians. The absolutely embarrassing battle drill of the Russian forces is a large part of their failure as well. They gave the Ukrainian army breathing room by being shockingly inept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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romad1 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 15 minutes ago, mtutiger said: not confirmed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Oh man Don't trust Israel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I won't thread this needle for you but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, romad1 said: not confirmed attack the bearers of bad news and for sure you will stop getting bad news. And the bonus is it's always good for your adversary to keep himself in the dark. Just listened to Masha Gessen be depressing about Putin for an hour with Ezra Klein. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-masha-gessen.html?searchResultPosition=2 Edited March 11, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 20 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: attack the bearers of bad news and for sure you will stop getting bad news. And the bonus is it's always good for your adversary to keep himself in the dark. Just listened to Masha Gessen be depressing about Putin for an hour with Ezra Klein. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-masha-gessen.html?searchResultPosition=2 those interviews are great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 This is all fun but I still have this feeling that there will be a major breakthrough by Russia. I’m not following it closely but could this be like D-Day where we are still in the “dying on the beach” scenario but eventually sheer numbers wins over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Tigerbomb13 said: For sure. While there is a certain segment that will believe the propaganda, I can see the younger generation especially seeing through this. Banning social media apps is a dead giveaway that something isn’t right. The age thing would seem to be big as it seems like convention wisdom that the younger generation does not watch their news as much as the older generations do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, oblong said: This is all fun but I still have this feeling that there will be a major breakthrough by Russia. I’m not following it closely but could this be like D-Day where we are still in the “dying on the beach” scenario but eventually sheer numbers wins over? Morale matters a lot in war, and Ukraine is winning by a significant amount on that front. Both Russia and The West underestimated their desire to fight and die for their country while, on the flip side, it's not clear how many Russian soldiers knew of the objectives ahead of time or actually want to be in this conflict. Until that changes, it seems hard to RUS to meet its objectives. I suspect that the carpet bombing and threats of chemical weapons are meant to try to cause cracks in morale. We will see Edited March 11, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, oblong said: This is all fun but I still have this feeling that there will be a major breakthrough by Russia. I’m not following it closely but could this be like D-Day where we are still in the “dying on the beach” scenario but eventually sheer numbers wins over? Depends. i think it’s much more like an Okinawa that isn’t an island and has two multi trillion dollar economies supporting its defenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, romad1 said: Depends. i think it’s much more like an Okinawa that isn’t an island and has two multi trillion dollar economies supporting its defenses. And let's be honest: there are plenty of examples in history of a much larger military inserting itself into a conflict with a smaller country and not prevailing. Vietnam and Afghanistan (x2) are the ones that come to mind. Russia definitely can still win the military conflict part of this war, but it wouldn't be unprecedented if they didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Quite a position for Israel, of all countries, to take Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Quite a position for Israel, of all countries, to take Indicative of the number of Russians who winter in Tel Aviv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 This is pretty indicative of how this is going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Collective security! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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