The pet peeve thread

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, casimir said:

Bad assumption.  They're adding another interchange (which is probably needed) and finally expanding the 3rd lane in each direction between the current 3rd lane (which was just recently added with another badly needed interchange west of Toledo proper) and the Maumee River.  The current two lanes are clogged, clogged, clogged during afternoon rush hour.

sounds like you are talking about the southern leg?From 23 I alway took the east bound leg, which was completely rebuilt over the period I was communting it. A lot of trips either all the way down Monroe, or acrosss Sylvania. Enough to make a long but easy commute into a longer and more painful one.

[chasfh]

24 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

My last thought on this, since I have already been called a Facist wacko.....

 

And here, I was going to just let this go ...

 

Look: I didn't call you this, or "fascist", either directly or indirectly, and you and everyone else here can easily see that. But it doesn't surprise me that you're confused about all this, anyway. But it’s really quite simple to understand.

 

This unseemly nonsense of you outing me by name in your post is all about trying to shame me for my observation. By calling me by my name instead of my handle, you’re making your criticism about me personally, and as a deflection, because you can’t effectively defend against the actual point I am making—which I get, because it’s not easy defending people who put themselves and those around them in danger by purposely getting in the way of other cars in order to regulate their driving behavior. So you've tried to change the conversation from the nature of people taking enforcement of a driving preference into the own hands to being about me so that, I guess, other posters can join you in piling on me? Is that what you’re trying to accomplish here? Because if that’s the case, then your outing post is off to a slow start.

 

It also bears noting that you may or may not be clear about what “partisan politics” actually means. I said nothing here about political parties at all—I just noted how a particular phenomenon leads some people to act in ways that resemble the social control mechanisms of fascism in broad terms. But based on your response, I can reasonably assume you must be awful sore that these days, the political party you identify with is considered by most people to be the party of fascism, and since you went right there with you're criticism of me, you seem to be sensitive enough about that to be personally embarrassed about it. And really, I don’t blame you. If people on my side of the political spectrum were engaging in fascism—a near impossibility, since fascism by its very definition emanates from the far right—I’d be embarrassed about that, too.

 

OK, that's enough of that. If you don’t mind, I’d like to set all this aside and get back to the pet peeves. Will that work for you?

[gehringer_2]

42 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Everyone is patiently waiting in line then a drivers gets impatient and whips out of line and hammer down to the front. Why is it ok for them to do this?

maybe he's got a sick kid in the car, maybe he's going to be late for a flight, maybe he's a jerk.  You might have willingly given him your spot if you knew the story - or maybe not. The point is you have no idea one way or the other before you drop the hammer of judgment from the lofty vantage point of the next lane.

Edited September 16, 2022 by gehringer_2

[oblong]

13 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

maybe he's got a sick kid in the car, maybe he's going to be late for a flight, maybe he's a jerk.  You might have willingly given him your spot if you knew the story - or maybe not. The point is you have no idea one way or the other before you drop the hammer of judgment from the lofty vantage point of the next lane.

even so... what's the harm still to the driver in the long line?  It took him an extra 7 seconds to get to a certain spot?   The time to your destination is relatively unchanged via traffic.  How do I know this?  From Google Maps.  When I drive to Flint on a regular basis from Dearborn it's amazing how accurate it is given the nature of lights on Telegraph from the lodge to 75, or whatever awaits me on 96 and 23..... yet it's accurate within a minute from an hour and fifteen away.

[Tigeraholic1]

15 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

maybe he's got a sick kid in the car, maybe he's going to be late for a flight, maybe he's a jerk.  You might have willingly given him your spot if you knew the story - or maybe not. The point is you have no idea one way or the other before you drop the hammer of judgment from the lofty vantage point of the next lane.

This 9 times out of 10

[Biff Mayhem]

2 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

This 9 times out of 10

Probably. Do you think that being blocked from passing will unjerk him or do you think it will embolden him?

[Tigeraholic1]

2 minutes ago, oblong said:

even so... what's the harm still to the driver in the long line?  It took him an extra 7 seconds to get to a certain spot?   The time to your destination is relatively unchanged via traffic.  How do I know this?  From Google Maps.  When I drive to Flint on a regular basis from Dearborn it's amazing how accurate it is given the nature of lights on Telegraph from the lodge to 75, or whatever awaits me on 96 and 23..... yet it's accurate within a minute from an hour and fifteen away.

You are right, I just chalk it up to lack of road etiquette. 

[Tigeraholic1]

1 minute ago, Biff Mayhem said:

Probably. Do you think that being blocked from passing will unjerk him or do you think it will embolden him?

Nope, just create some kind of avoidable road rage incident had everyone literally stayed in their lane! 🤣

[chasfh]

54 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Nope, just create some kind of avoidable road rage incident had everyone literally stayed in their lane! 🤣

Wait a minute, what are you looking for here? Are you looking for people to stay in their lane, or for people to merge over as soon as possible? Because I myself am all for everyone staying in their lane until they get to the lane closure and then zipper-merge at that point. I even suggested a sign for that.

[Tigeraholic1]

23 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Wait a minute, what are you looking for here? Are you looking for people to stay in their lane, or for people to merge over as soon as possible? Because I myself am all for everyone staying in their lane until they get to the lane closure and then zipper-merge at that point. I even suggested a sign for that.

Sorry I used your name. This debate has gone on long enough I will concede to the room that zippering is everyones preferred method. 

 

[chasfh]

15 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Sorry I used your name. This debate has gone on long enough I will concede to the room that zippering is everyones preferred method. 

 

I appreciate the apology, thanks for that.

I think the debate continues to be valid as long as people have opinions about each side and has something to say about the topic itself.

I don't know about the concession on the point itself, exactly, but then, I wasn't looking for one either, so I don't care so much about that ... 😁

This debate is meant to be all in good fun, anyway. Have a great weekend! Go [local_sports_team]!

[casimir]

2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

sounds like you are talking about the southern leg?From 23 I alway took the east bound leg, which was completely rebuilt over the period I was communting it. A lot of trips either all the way down Monroe, or acrosss Sylvania. Enough to make a long but easy commute into a longer and more painful one.

You saw the east/west leg.  They added additional lanes in either direction in between the 23 split just north of Central Avenue and have 3rd lanes in either direction until Airport Highway.  They should have just extended to at least US 24 (Maumee River).  They'll probably need to add an additional lane on the other side of the river at some point.

Sylvania and/or Monroe the length of Toledo?  Yuck.  And certainly you weren't the only one doing that.

[John_Brian_K]

Speaking of roads....before I even knew the history behind 375, I thought it was a stupid place to put a freeway.  Completely cuts the city off...all that area behind Ford Field and CoPa was a HUGE waste before.....now when it is finally razed it should open up a whole new area for Detroit to expand.  So not a peeve, but kind of an anti peeve...I love that they are finally getting it right....or trying to anyway.

[oblong]

34 minutes ago, John_Brian_K said:

Speaking of roads....before I even knew the history behind 375, I thought it was a stupid place to put a freeway.  Completely cuts the city off...all that area behind Ford Field and CoPa was a HUGE waste before.....now when it is finally razed it should open up a whole new area for Detroit to expand.  So not a peeve, but kind of an anti peeve...I love that they are finally getting it right....or trying to anyway.

White people had to get out of the city.... and fast.

And that occurred in other cities too.  San Fran, Baltimore.... whole middle class black communities wiped out.  

I've been excited about that project for while.

[Motor City Sonics]

Pet Peeve?  Idiots that live in a coastal area that KNOW a Category 4 (maybe 5) hurricane is coming with 12-20 foot storm surge don't leave and have to be rescued.......................putting rescuers' lives in danger...........rescuers who probably lost property too.    Stupid, Stupid, Stupid, Stupid, Stupid...............................YOU WERE WARNED FOR DAYS.   

Why are people so goddamned stupid?     Not talking about people who are feeble, talking about able-bodied people .  Did they think the media was making this up or something?  Were they worried someone what loot their house............YOUR HOUSE IS RUINED, THERE'S NOTHING LEFT TO LOOT AND EVEN IF THERE WAS, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE INSURANCE. 

Edited September 28, 2022 by Motor City Sonics

[chasfh]

Hoping against hope …

[oblong]

some people can't leave.  

I saw some over head video of where we stayed in July in Ft. Myers Beach.  It's devastated.  Gone.  

 

The condo in the upper right on the after photo is where we were.  From the over head shot it's the lower one on the left side, where the pink icon is.   You can see 3 houses as you pull into the driveway are gone as well as the 4 houses across the street.  I've circled them.  The whole island is like that. For giggles when we got back from there I went on zillow to check those houses and they last sold for $1.7M.  That's for a 1 BR 600 sq foot.  But it's on the water!

If you've been there and know... the Times Square area is gone.  The pier there is gone as is the restaurant out there.  I think Estero Island is toast.  They're building a Margaritaville right next to the bridge... 

The causeway to Sanibel Island is, for lack a better word, broke.  As in collapsed in some places.  

[John_Brian_K]

I hear the "sometimes people can't leave" thing and wonder why?  If you do not own a car and the state was not offering rides/shelter of some kind (which I am not sure if they do or would, but I assume they offer it) I get it.

But if you own a car, pack it up with what you will need for a few days, drive far enough away...even park in a Walmart parking lot or something and sleep in the car for a few days and come back.

Does the state not offer some kind of ride for those who do not have one and a shelter of some kind?

All of that is better than dying or waiting for other people to rescue you.

I imagine there is a small minority who have no family, have no vehicle are infirm to begin with.  I am not talking about those people, but again...even then I would assume you could call Red Cross or someone and they would get you out while it was safe to do so for them.

[oblong]

Not everyone has a car.  Not everyone has the internet or a smartphone.  

No the state doesn't do that.  You can't just call the Red Cross for a ride either.  Some people really are vulnerable and it's not their fault.  Some people can't leave because they are first responders or health care workers. 

Being in a vehicle in a wal mart parking lot is not very safe either.

 

 

[casimir]

I hadn't paid much attention, so I don't know one way or the other, but ain't many options in Florida.  You've basically got to go north to get out.  Were there any stories of jammed interstates or gas shortages or anything like that?

[Motor City Sonics]

12 minutes ago, casimir said:

I hadn't paid much attention, so I don't know one way or the other, but ain't many options in Florida.  You've basically got to go north to get out.  Were there any stories of jammed interstates or gas shortages or anything like that?

But they didn't have to get out of Florida altogether.  Just away from the shore.    As far as not having internet or smartphones,  they do have neighbors and if they see all the neighbors packing up and leaving, they don't ask why?  Plus they had sirens going off for hours.    Seems that if you have the money to live near a beach that you probably have enough to own a car or make some kind of arrangements to get out.   I know not everyone can, but most of the people that were killed or had to be rescued probably had the ability to get away from the shore and they chose not to.  Nowhere to go?  B.S., plenty of places they could shelter that weren't that far away from Ft. Myers & Naples.    I don't know why.    I just don't get it.   What is it?   Do they think they're being lied to by the media and every city, county and state official?   Do they think dying at home is noble or something?     You had 4-5 days to pack up your important papers and irreplaceables and get out.  

[oblong]

not everybody has people.  Not everybody has somewhere to go.  Some people may have been living there for 40 years before it got expensive and know nothing else.  I saw an elderly lady who was practically in shock while talking to the media after her paralyzed husband was saved.  I'm not going to get on people like that for not making the "right decision".  Maybe they only had one small car that wouldn't fit anything.   Maybe the car is unreliable and they'd rather take their chances inside instead of being stranded on the road.

Point is you don't know everybody's circumstances.

[John_Brian_K]

2 hours ago, oblong said:

Not everyone has a car.  Not everyone has the internet or a smartphone.  

No the state doesn't do that.  You can't just call the Red Cross for a ride either.  Some people really are vulnerable and it's not their fault.  Some people can't leave because they are first responders or health care workers. 

Being in a vehicle in a wal mart parking lot is not very safe either.

 

 

If the Walmart parking lot is 300 miles away from the shore then I would take that over a hurricane 2 miles away, even with a car packed with kids.  And I also already conceded that if they did not have a car and there was not a state run program they could call, then it is understandable.  Also I do not know that for a fact.  Do you know for a fact it is not something that is offered?  Because I am pretty sure you do not need a computer or a smart phone to get help.  I would assume there are places to call if you live in an evacuation zone to get assistance.  A good ol fashioned rotary phone will work if you still have your wits....and if you do not...then again I concede that point.

And when was it ever cheap to live by the ocean?

And for the hard of hearing...some people may have legit reasons for not being able to leave...some.  Can I be sensitive to those who had nowhere to go and at the same time realize the majority of people who do not leave are just lazy...and not care as much about those people as I do those who legit had a reason they could not leave?  I am pretty sure both can be true.

 

[oblong]

I think your need to look down on and go after people who have had their lives destroyed as if they did something wrong is just a bit rude and tone deaf.

Not every house in a beach area is an oceanfront mansions.  Many are trailers and manufactured homes that do not require one to be wealthy to live in.  

I don't get that mentality.  Blame the victim.  Call them names.  Nice.

Why aren't you down there price gouging bottled water?

[Kacie]

It costs money to evacuate.  There were hundreds of thousands of residents to evacuate and only a few thousand shelter spaces.  Not all were for those who are disabled, not all are for those who have pets.  It sounds easy to say, go somewhere.  Where do they go then? How many have oxygen tanks or walkers or wheelchairs, in addition to memory, cognitive, incontinence and other health issues?    They're supposed to hop in their car and drive 300 miles?    Also, up until the night before, Tampa was expected to be "ground zero".  Not everyone has thousands or even hundreds of dollars or a car or place to go.  I thought the judgmental assholes were put in their place after Katrina?  Guess not.  If you truly cannot imagine, consider yourself fortunate.