Biden's presidency

[1984Echoes]

13 hours ago, Edman85 said:

Deplorables pt 2

I think it's more like contemptible MF'ing fascist Anti-American (democratically and Constitutionally) scumbags.

But that's just me...

[Motown Bombers]

Murdering the vice president by hanging is just a difference of opinion. No need to tell them to fuck off.

[Deleterious]

5 minutes ago, Shades of Deivi Cruz said:

If your opinion is that the 2020 Presidential election was stolen and don't think J6 was a big deal, then yes, please, fuck right off.

Well there it is.  Like the speech or else I am a trump lover who wishes he was there on Jan 6th to participate.  There cant be any other reason to dislike that speech last night!

You guys have become them and don't even know it.

[1984Echoes]

19 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Fuck yeah!  Preach it, brother.  Fuck those people with different opinions.  

For those who want to overthrow the Constitution of the United States through lies, deceit, and violence...

Yeah...

Fuck off.

[Shades of Deivi Cruz]

1 minute ago, Deleterious said:

Well there it is.  Like the speech or else I am a trump lover who wishes he was there on Jan 6th to participate.  There cant be any other reason to dislike that speech last night!

You guys have become them and don't even know it.

If that's what you think I said, then that's on you. All I said was, if you felt personally attacked by the speech last night, then you are probably a hard core MAGA already. I didn't say you had to like it or agree with it. If you did feel personally offended by the speech, well then I'm sorry that you are a MAGA that should fuck right off.

[Deleterious]

2 minutes ago, Shades of Deivi Cruz said:

If that's what you think I said, then that's on you. All I said was, if you felt personally attacked by the speech last night, then you are probably a hard core MAGA already. I didn't say you had to like it or agree with it. If you did feel personally offended by the speech, well then I'm sorry that you are a MAGA that should fuck right off.

lol

[smr-nj]

Let’s take a deep breath here.

I’m fairly certain that those who actually watched the speech know that he made a distinction between what was a threat, as opposed to people who have a different opinion.  
 

So, let’s just stop the f bombs against each other here.  It’s ugly, and not a great way to further discourse.  It’s a show-stopper, and totally not appreciated.
 

 

[Edman85]

7 minutes ago, Shades of Deivi Cruz said:

If that's what you think I said, then that's on you. All I said was, if you felt personally attacked by the speech last night, then you are probably a hard core MAGA already. I didn't say you had to like it or agree with it. If you did feel personally offended by the speech, well then I'm sorry that you are a MAGA that should fuck right off.

I didn't watch the speech. I was watching my alma mater play a close football game. I saw the picture circulating that was shown earlier where he looks angry with a black and red backdrop. I didn't think addressing the crazies was worthy of a primetime speech, and think it could offend some right-of center folks who weren't part of the crazy but could catch some clips in the wrong context and get mobilized (see Deplorables pt. 2). It just seemed like poking at some beehives unnecessarily.

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, Edman85 said:

I didn't watch the speech. I was watching my alma mater play a close football game. I saw the picture circulating that was shown earlier where he looks angry with a black and red backdrop. I didn't think addressing the crazies was worthy of a primetime speech, and think it could offend some right-of center folks who weren't part of the crazy but could catch some clips in the wrong context and get mobilized (see Deplorables pt. 2). It just seemed like poking at some beehives unnecessarily.

We have a fascist uprising in this country and Democrats have to worry about triggering them now.

[Edman85]

36 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

I think it's more like contemptible MF'ing fascist Anti-American (democratically and Constitutionally) scumbags.

But that's just me...

Again, let's go back to 2016. We realize that a majority of America, not just backwoods ignoramuses, maybe dose on 5 minutes of current events a day, right? "Basket of Deplorables" backfired because it was able to be cast as a broad insult toward people who don't have time in their lives for political nuance. Just that picture alone of an angry President with an ominous backdrop is enough to give political fuel to that class of person. That class of person isn't MAGA: they just have a busy job, families, and don't want to be dragged into this morasse.

Edited September 2, 2022 by Edman85

[Edman85]

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

We have a fascist uprising in this country and Democrats have to worry about triggering them now.

Yeah, you kinda do. It seems outsmarting them would be the preferred lane.

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, Edman85 said:

Yeah, you kinda do. It seems outsmarting them would be the preferred lane.

This is like a NY Times Pitchbot headline. I was a Biden supporter but then he gave a speech about fascist and I have no choice but to vote for a fascist.

[mtutiger]

I thought the speech was fine.... it wasn't perfect, he should have stuck with the topic as opposed to transitioning into a stump speech halfway through, but I think it was pretty clear who he was and wasn't talking about. Despite how right wing sources will choose to cover the speech in the aftermath.

Having said all of that, I do find the asymmetry in expectations for those on the left side of the spectrum to be amusing.... Trump and the Extreme MAGA types can call anyone who disagrees with them Communists and Socialist Scum and whatnot and very few notice, probably because it is just expected and accepted. But the moment Joe Biden gives a speech calling out an ideology becoming increasingly mainstream that doesn't respect the outcome of elections that don't go their way? That's apparently a bridge too far.

I guess I'm just disinterested in the pearl clutching about civility from politicians and public figures who don't practice what they preach.

Edited September 2, 2022 by mtutiger

[Motown Bombers]

Trump had the Access Hollywood tape and mocked disabled people but Hillary and her deplorable remark.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

For a guy who isn't that cogent and suffers from some form of debilitating memory loss, the MAGA crowd sure seems afraid of the power a man with dementia can wield. I remember when my Great Aunt Sarita on my mom's side of the family had dementia. She was diagnosed around 2010 and she certainly wasn't capable of giving a speech that clear and poignant, not even in the beginning stages of her diagnosis. Brandon sure is doing a lot of damage for a shell of a man in the thralls of dementia.

Edited September 2, 2022 by Mr.TaterSalad

[mtutiger]

Really, the situation isn't that hard to figure out: Trumpism, as an ideology, is a large enough slice of the GOP that it makes it popular within the party and often times leads to Trump-style candidates winning primaries. While simultaneously, the ideology is a lot more unpopular among the general pubic. 

Biden wasn't calling anyone a "basket of deplorables" or whatever; he was acknowledging the 65% or so of us who don't like Trumpism and warning of the dangers of the ideology. He walked a fine line in that speech and, overall, while it wasn't perfect, I think he did fine. 

In terms of electoral impact, I don't know that it makes a bit of difference tbh.... very few things move the needle at this point, and I suspect that economic indicators plus Dobbs are where the terrain remains.

Edited September 2, 2022 by mtutiger

[Motown Bombers]

It's fair game to call liberals Marxist groomers who kill babies but don't call people who tried to murder the vice president to overturn the election fascists. Did we sit here and debate about Republicans call Democrats child predators? In Virginia Democrats were criticized for largely ignoring the CRT debate, now they are criticized for taking the fascists head on.

[Tigerbomb13]

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

It's fair game to call liberals Marxist groomers who kill babies but don't call people who tried to murder the vice president to overturn the election fascists. Did we sit here and debate about Republicans call Democrats child predators? In Virginia Democrats were criticized for largely ignoring the CRT debate, now they are criticized for taking the fascists head on.

There’s absolutely a framing issue, where one side can get away with calling the other side any name they want and it’s perfectly normal. Democrats however are on the defensive over everything they say. 

[mtutiger]

2 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

There’s absolutely a framing issue, where one side can get away with calling the other side any name they want and it’s perfectly normal. Democrats however are on the defensive over everything they say. 

At least a few times during the past four years that I have been in coversation with someone who has said something really nasty about people who believe a certain way (such as that Trump should have been impeached in the first impeachment), and then after mentioning that I believe that way and giving my reasons, they back up and say "I wasn't talking about you, just those other people".

It's really what social media has done to us.... and I acknowledge that there's issues on both sides, but it seems like it's only one side that ever gets held to any sort of standard.

[RatkoVarda]

there are a few choices: 1) ignore MAGAs 2) work with them 3) stop them

if you think MAGAs are going away on their own if you ignore them, and that we will return to a "normal" GOP, that merely mocks the black president as a foreigner and a Muslim, well you are certainly entitled to that magical thinking

if you think you can work with people who say the election was stolen by Hugo Chavez working with the Italians and Comet Ping Pong is a child sex ring, well you are certainly entitled to that magical thinking

to me, you have to keep trying to stop these fascists.  might not work. message might by weaponized against the Dems. plenty of people love the perversion and plenty more do not care and never will. i'd rather go down fighting, rather than wishing.

Edited September 2, 2022 by RatkoVarda

[Motown Bombers]

Here's Liz Cheney calling Democrats socialist racist who are destroying America. The same Liz Cheney who defended Trump telling the squad to go back to where they came from by calling them socialists racist. The same Liz Cheney that Democrats are suppose to be thankful for.

 

[Motown Bombers]

Here's Liz Cheney calling Democrats baby killers. She goes on to say Democrats are turning maternity wars into killing fields. She suggests Democrats are pure evil. She even falsely implicates specific Democrats, but do tell more about Biden's speech calling fascists fascists.

 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[oblong]

Saw a meme, that I'll just causally quote for language:

"MAGA:  F Joe Biden"

"BIden:  F you too"

"MAGA:  Whattt?????"

Snowflakes.  They're Butch in A Christmas Story who finally gets his ass whopped and cries.

[Tigeraholic1]

It's all funny and laughable but I am telling this is feeling different. The folks I know are not the MAGA J6 types. They are 10-20 year vets who served 3-4 tours. They are operators who know how to inflict damage and disappear. Biden is deff making a mistake getting these guys worked up.