2022-23 Detroit Tigers Offseason Thread

[buddha]

there isnt another free agent third baseman who could give you candy's production?  

[RatkoVarda]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:14 PM, buddha said:

there isnt another free agent third baseman who could give you candy's production?  

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Longoria is 37 and probably could out produce Candy, but otherwise nothing

[Tigermojo]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:14 PM, buddha said:

there isnt another free agent third baseman who could give you candy's production?  

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It's slim pickings.

Third Basemen

Ehire Adrianza (33)
Hanser Alberto (30)
Willians Astudillo (31)
Johan Camargo (29)
Charlie Culberson (34)
Brandon Drury (30)
Matt Duffy (32)
Maikel Franco (30)
Phil Gosselin (34)
Josh Harrison (35)
Evan Longoria (37)
Jace Peterson (33)
Donovan Solano (35)
Justin Turner (38)
Jonathan Villar (32)

[gehringer_2]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:45 PM, Tigermojo said:

It's slim pickings.

Third Basemen

Ehire Adrianza (33)
Hanser Alberto (30)
Willians Astudillo (31)
Johan Camargo (29)
Charlie Culberson (34)
Brandon Drury (30)
Matt Duffy (32)
Maikel Franco (30)
Phil Gosselin (34)
Josh Harrison (35)
Evan Longoria (37)
Jace Peterson (33)
Donovan Solano (35)
Justin Turner (38)
Jonathan Villar (32)

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Astudillo could at least replace Tucker in the bullpen.  

Edited November 18, 2022 by gehringer_2

[SoCalTiger]

  On 11/18/2022 at 1:44 PM, Longgone said:

Upgrade at every opportunity, but don't make moves just to make moves, that's dumb.

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I think that will require cleaning house. 

[Edman85]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:55 PM, gehringer_2 said:

Astudillo could at least replace Tucker in the bullpen.  

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He already signed in Japan.

[gehringer_2]

  On 11/18/2022 at 7:18 PM, Edman85 said:

He already signed in Japan.

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He's going to have to develop some kind of stop action in his delivery to pitch there.......

 

[Tenacious D]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:45 PM, Tigermojo said:

It's slim pickings.

Third Basemen

Ehire Adrianza (33)
Hanser Alberto (30)
Willians Astudillo (31)
Johan Camargo (29)
Charlie Culberson (34)
Brandon Drury (30)
Matt Duffy (32)
Maikel Franco (30)
Phil Gosselin (34)
Josh Harrison (35)
Evan Longoria (37)
Jace Peterson (33)
Donovan Solano (35)
Justin Turner (38)
Jonathan Villar (32)

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All would be 1-2 year stopgaps, along with Candy.  I think I’d prefer Longoria or Turner for one season—they’d be more interesting and hopefully could instill a sense of winning with our younger guys.

[casimir]

  On 11/18/2022 at 7:46 PM, Tenacious D said:

All would be 1-2 year stopgaps, along with Candy.  I think I’d prefer Longoria or Turner for one season—they’d be more interesting and hopefully could instill a sense of winning with our younger guys.

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I would think with the dearth of 3Bdudes available, Longoria and Turner should be able to find a better (winning) situation elsewhere.  On the other hand, Kenny Rogers pitched in more World Series games for the Tigers than my pre2006 logic would have thought, so what do I know?

[theroundsquare]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:45 PM, Tigermojo said:

It's slim pickings.

Third Basemen

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Willians Astudillo (31)
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Nothing slim about Astudillo

[buddha]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:45 PM, Tigermojo said:

It's slim pickings.

Third Basemen

Ehire Adrianza (33)
Hanser Alberto (30)
Willians Astudillo (31)
Johan Camargo (29)
Charlie Culberson (34)
Brandon Drury (30)
Matt Duffy (32)
Maikel Franco (30)
Phil Gosselin (34)
Josh Harrison (35)
Evan Longoria (37)
Jace Peterson (33)
Donovan Solano (35)
Justin Turner (38)
Jonathan Villar (32)

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i might take slim pickes  over candy.  he's probably better at hitting lefties.

[casimir]

  On 11/18/2022 at 7:52 PM, theroundsquare said:

Nothing slim about Astudillo

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This was the obvious response and several posts missed it.

[1984Echoes]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:14 PM, buddha said:

there isnt another free agent third baseman who could give you candy's production?  

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Personally, I would look at 2023 as an evaluation/ recovery (both health and better coaching) year and 2024 (2023 offseason) as the "make lots of moves" year.

[Tiger337]

I don't understand why people are so down on Candelario.  He was good in 2017, then got injured, was good in 2020-2021 and then bad in 2022. He seemsd like a good bounce back candidate to me.  I wish they had someone better, but I don't see him as someone that HAS to be replaced yet.    

[casimir]

  On 11/18/2022 at 8:40 PM, Tiger337 said:

I don't understand why people are so down on Candelario.  He was good in 2017, then got injured, was good in 2020-2021 and then bad in 2022. He seemsd like a good bounce back candidate to me.  I wish they had someone better, but I don't see him as someone that HAS to be replaced yet.    

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I can understand going either way on Candelario.  Same for CastroW, same for Alexander.  

[1984Echoes]

  On 11/18/2022 at 8:45 PM, casimir said:

I can understand going either way on Candelario.  Same for CastroW, same for Alexander.  

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I would look at them differently though.

Candy is a FA after 2023 I believe so he's a 1-year stopgap to see where Keith will be by the middle/ end of next year. He's also a comeback candidate that was good in 2021, and may have some trade value at the deadline if he can get back on track. He does have a proven history, even if that history is spotty. Also it's a weak market for his position so maybe the short-term solution is to gamble on all of the above as there's no really apparent "better option".

Willi I'd have to look at as a potential development "project". If the team believes his glove and/ or bat can "develop" then hold onto him. If they believe he is easily replaceable, or for whatever reason he just doesn't get it or won't be able to improve, then move on. I think this is simply a player evaluation/ decision rather than all the raft of issues surrounding 3B.

Alexander has proven himself a useful lefty with weak peripherals. If I find someone better, I move him out. Otherwise, if a 40-man spot is not needed, I hold on just until...

[RatkoVarda]

churn

 

[1984Echoes]

  On 11/18/2022 at 8:40 PM, Tiger337 said:

I don't understand why people are so down on Candelario.  He was good in 2017, then got injured, was good in 2020-2021 and then bad in 2022. He seems like a good bounce back candidate to me.  I wish they had someone better, but I don't see him as someone that HAS to be replaced yet.    

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Which is exactly where I am at with him...

[gehringer_2]

  On 11/18/2022 at 8:40 PM, Tiger337 said:

 He seemsd like a good bounce back candidate to me.  

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This is the key. I 'm more skeptical, but I'll be happy to be wrong. There are enough positions in need of upgrading that they could do a lot of work toward being a better team without ever getting to 3rd base, which is also OK I suppose.

[chasfh]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:45 PM, RatkoVarda said:

Longoria is 37 and probably could out produce Candy, but otherwise nothing

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Longoria has not produced what Candelario is projected to produce since 2017.

[chasfh]

Looks like the Tigers are all in on the soft-tossing, low-strikeout, hard-hit, run-yielding Tyler Alexander Experience!

 

But hey, we got him kinda sorta cheap. 😁

[casimir]

  On 11/18/2022 at 9:26 PM, 1984Echoes said:

I would look at them differently though.

Candy is a FA after 2023 I believe so he's a 1-year stopgap to see where Keith will be by the middle/ end of next year. He's also a comeback candidate that was good in 2021, and may have some trade value at the deadline if he can get back on track. He does have a proven history, even if that history is spotty. Also it's a weak market for his position so maybe the short-term solution is to gamble on all of the above as there's no really apparent "better option".

Willi I'd have to look at as a potential development "project". If the team believes his glove and/ or bat can "develop" then hold onto him. If they believe he is easily replaceable, or for whatever reason he just doesn't get it or won't be able to improve, then move on. I think this is simply a player evaluation/ decision rather than all the raft of issues surrounding 3B.

Alexander has proven himself a useful lefty with weak peripherals. If I find someone better, I move him out. Otherwise, if a 40-man spot is not needed, I hold on just until...

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We know what they’ve shown, and given other options, I can see the rationale to keep them.

We know what they’ve shown, and the front office might see other players to pursue and/or they simply don’t think these players will be worth retaining.

I guess we’ll find out sometime today which way the wind is blowing.

[KL2]

  On 11/18/2022 at 8:40 PM, Tiger337 said:

I don't understand why people are so down on Candelario.  He was good in 2017, then got injured, was good in 2020-2021 and then bad in 2022. He seemsd like a good bounce back candidate to me.  I wish they had someone better, but I don't see him as someone that HAS to be replaced yet.    

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I would argue good.

But the point is more cost. Would we be better getting his same production for fraction of the cost and using the extra money elsewhere? 

[casimir]

  On 11/18/2022 at 10:07 PM, KL2 said:

I would argue good.

But the point is more cost. Would we be better getting his same production for fraction of the cost and using the extra money elsewhere? 

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Well, there isn’t any reason to toss money at FA 3Bdudes.

Gio Urshela was traded today.  That’s another 3Bdude off of the (trade) market.

[Longgone]

  On 11/18/2022 at 9:26 PM, 1984Echoes said:

 I believe so he's a 1-year stopgap to see where Keith will be by the middle/ end of next year.

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Right field, the way he's trending.