chasfh Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share Posted November 18, 2022 28 minutes ago, KL2 said: I would argue good. But the point is more cost. Would we be better getting his same production for fraction of the cost and using the extra money elsewhere? Only if they used the money elsewhere and didn't pocket the cash instead, which I would guess is more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, KL2 said: ... But the point is more cost. Would we be better getting his same production for fraction of the cost and using the extra money elsewhere? I think our payroll is too low for cost to matter at all. Cost factors in at ZERO. Use the extra money wherever you want... we aren't going to have a $195MM payroll. Where do you want to use... what savings? The issue is not money, it's 40-man spots. Find a better player for the Tigers, put him on the 40. Money doesn't matter. Find an upgrade by waiver, rule 5, trade? Great. And whoever loses their spot on the 40 because we found an upgrade loses their spot. Money don't matter. Edited November 18, 2022 by 1984Echoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Cost can force some players into the lineup when they don't deserve to be. We are living this big time with Miguel Cabrera in the final years of his deal. I don't think any of the Tigers arb guys are in this boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Maybe the Angels would let us have Anthony Rendon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 2 hours ago, KL2 said: I would argue good. But the point is more cost. Would we be better getting his same production for fraction of the cost and using the extra money elsewhere? OPS+ in his three good years: 133 137 121 There are some limited PAs in those years, but he led the team in WAR in 20 and 21, so he was arguably their best player those years. The Tigers payroll is so low right now that if they drop him mostly based on cost then I am going to be very pessimistic about their future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: OPS+ in his three good years: 133 137 121 There are some limited PAs in those years, but he led the team in WAR in 20 and 21, so he was arguably their best player those years. The Tigers payroll is so low right now that if they drop him mostly based on cost then I am going to be very pessimistic about their future. To me, it's a call on whether or not they think whatever plagued him this year was irreversible. I'd lean toward keeping him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Edman85 said: Cost can force some players into the lineup when they don't deserve to be. We are living this big time with Miguel Cabrera in the final years of his deal. I don't think any of the Tigers arb guys are in this boat. Right. Miggy is legacy and a HOF player. I don't believe we have any other albatross contracts. Certainly not any 1 year arbitration deals. I mean, unless Eduardo or Baez implodes... But... if we got a better player than Candy he'd be dumped (trade or whatever) post haste with no second thoughts. As Lee said, our payroll is too low to care about saving any money. I firmly believe that cost has no bearing on the 2023 Tigers. Unless Ilitch says no to a Correa contract because $50 mill per year is just too much... Otherwise... 2023 is not about the money, it's all about finding better players for each 40-man spot that we are able to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share Posted November 19, 2022 Good news for many here: he’s good as gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Welp, there's y'all's purge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Edman85 said: To me, it's a call on whether or not they think whatever plagued him this year was irreversible. I'd lean toward keeping him. I agree with that. If they don't think they can fix him, then they should nontender him. I don't have enough information to know that. Just based on numbers, I would say he is a candidate to rebound. This just became a moot point as I typed it! Edited November 19, 2022 by Tiger337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 The Tigers have announced the following roster moves: *Agreed to terms with LHP Tyler Alexander on a 1-year contract for the 2023 season, thus avoiding arbitration. *Claimed OF Bligh Madris off waivers from Tampa Bay *Declined to tender contracts for the 2023 season to the following players: RHPs Miguel Diaz and Kyle Funkhouser, C Michael Papierski, INFs Jeimer Candelario and Brendon Davis and UTILs Harold Castro and Willi Castro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 The Castros have been non-tendered too. I like that because I want the Tigers to find players with different skillsets. I am not upset about Candelario either, just a bit surprised. Of course, it depends on which new players they get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 I liked Jeimer for a while. He looked like a player to me but performance matters. I like the moves for the simple reason it shows some boldness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 The house is looking cleaner now. Much better. Way the F overdue !! I mean if Harris didn't clean these players out wouldn't we be worried about him ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share Posted November 19, 2022 Much dancing in the Motownforums aisles tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share Posted November 19, 2022 Jose Cisnero? Huh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 34 minutes ago, oblong said: I liked Jeimer for a while. He looked like a player to me but performance matters. I like the moves for the simple reason it shows some boldness. I think this is right. The reality is that had he been tendered, he would have been earning way more than he was justified based on his performance last year. Even harder to countenance given how subpar he looked in the field as well. I get that he may be projected by models to perform better in 2023 and that the options in free agency aren't great, but I dont blame the Tigers in the least for not just settling on overpaying Candelario out of fear of the unknown. Especially if Harris feels that he isn't a guy for the long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Looking at some of the non-tenders, LAD Edwin Rios, 3B-1B, LH, age 28 might be worth a gamble. He was pretty steady in the minors, has some pop and a 'Corner Inf. that bats LH' which SHarris had mentioned... 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Tigers continue to work the waiver wire. I don't know if any of these guys will amount to anything, but I like the constant effort to acquire new talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) Scott Harris is dunking on Al Avila right now and I love it. You get the very best of both world's. You get to rid yourself of bad to mediocre players and laugh at the previous regime while it's happening. I think it's certainly becoming more clear about Scott Harris' desire to construct a team that controls the strike zone from the mound and the plate. Edited November 19, 2022 by Mr.TaterSalad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) As far as the Castros are concerned, it was definitely time. We can talk about Willi's potential in theory until we are blue in the face, but at some point, patience has to wear thin. Edited November 19, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Tigers continue to work the waiver wire. I don't know if any of these guys will amount to anything, but I like the constant effort to acquire new talent. Of the five claims since Harris took the reigns, two have hit free agency and one more has already cleared waivers. That's fine. To me, the whole point of a waiver claim is to try to pass them through later and build depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 How many future Tigers here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Both Castros is the only way to go, rather than try to find redeeming features in one or the other of them. I was 50/50 on Candelario, I won't be surprised if he turns in a good season with someone else but that's OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAbbott Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 51 minutes ago, oblong said: I liked Jeimer for a while. He looked like a player to me but performance matters. I like the moves for the simple reason it shows some boldness. I will make no bones about it. I am delighted by the fact that both Castros and that Jemier were non-tendered. I still want Miggy gone for performance based reasons. to match last year's performance for Harold, Willi, and Jemier in terms of WAR will not be that hard. None o fthe three, when both dWAR and oWAR are counted together get to a 1.1 total. If I am understanding the stats correctly, their performances would still be less than the rate that would produce an 81 win team. If the front office can't find adequate replacement for what is still a collection of sub-mediocrity, then that entire office needs to be canned immediately. Now I will go enjoy my glass of champagne, enjoying an obvious decision that needed to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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