chasfh Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share Posted January 6, 2023 Here’s a Devil He Knows who might make his way to the Tigers system soon … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 55 minutes ago, alex said: This is IMHO actually quite good. Now they have these players as depth (I believe mtutiger and others here mentioned this philosophy before as well). FWIW, I believe they could have pulled Feliciano and/or Ibanez back if they were claimed and then just kept them on the 40, all without anyone knowing really publicly they had been claimed. Next they can add from here another waiver claim or two and/or add via FA or trade. Outright waivers are not revocable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 11 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I have already said I am giving Harris time and am not ready to criticize him. I just think the volume of mostly useless players being churned is humorous. The way I see it, there are multiple players on last years 40 man roster (Brendon Davis, Angel De Jesus, etc.) who are no longer on the 40 man and still in the org. It's progress, and it is a pretty big example of not being an Avila "paint by numbers" approach. Money or risk is kind of irrelevant, Avila did not do this stuff, which seems notable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 21 minutes ago, chasfh said: Here’s a Devil He Knows who might make his way to the Tigers system soon … The Tigers do need to add Wynns. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, mtutiger said: The way I see it, there are multiple players on last years 40 man roster (Brendon Davis, Angel De Jesus, etc.) who are no longer on the 40 man and still in the org. It's progress, and it is a pretty big example of not being an Avila "paint by numbers" approach. Money or risk is kind of irrelevant, Avila did not do this stuff, which seems notable. It is a clear difference. Whether or not it's a meaningful one remains to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) I think Harris's use of the waiver wire, tedious though it may be, is a solid strategy to slowly but surely build depth not only in the system, but at the bottom of the 40-man as well. The churn is a byproduct of the process as, I imagine, the Harris team has assigned a numerical score for each player in the Organized Baseball universe, and when a player with a higher score comes available, they put the lowest score guy on waivers and let him go if claimed, and stash him if not. It is definitely your father's general managing strategy, provided your name is Alex. I also find it humorous to see guys churned just days after being picked up. Edited January 6, 2023 by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 25 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: What else are we going to talk about? One of those heal vs hurt games about current Tiger TV announcers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Just now, Tiger337 said: It is a clear difference. Whether or not it's a meaningful one remains to be seen. I disagree, I would call it meaningful right this moment. This organization needed depth, and it increasingly has more having added players who are former prospects and / or have had previous major league experience. And it isn't Avila-esque. There is this tendency to want to discount it because it may be low risk, but when the alternative was the previous guy who wouldn't even make these sorts of low risk decisions, it counts as progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, chasfh said: I also find it humorous to see guys churned just days after being picked up. It's the humorous part, but it may be the most important part of what he's doing. Guys like Mario Feliciano and Andy Ibanez are pretty solid options to have as non-40 man guys if the team gets hit with injuries at those particular positions. With any luck, maybe it means the days of Jacob Robson or Josh Lester types getting ML ABs might be over. Edited January 6, 2023 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share Posted January 6, 2023 I think it's humorous that they get churned in a matter of days. That's what ... You know what ... never mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 50 minutes ago, mtutiger said: What if, and hear me out here, there are transactions that can still take place between now and Spring Training? It’s too late. He had until today to make any transactions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: So what? It's an example of how Harris isn't Al Avila or a "paint by numbers" approach, which was the point being made. its the hoping someone elses scrap bin players might turn into something... the method might be different but the idea is the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 With all that crap...There has to be a pony in there somewhere 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Toddwert said: its the hoping someone elses scrap bin players might turn into something... Not really, it's about building depth in the minor leagues that can be useful when injuries and attrition inevitably happen. Avila did not use the waiver wire like this. He just didn't. We all acknowledged this as an issue when Avila was GM. Now that Harris is here, it gets mocked. I dont get it. Edited January 6, 2023 by mtutiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 14 minutes ago, chasfh said: I think it's humorous that they get churned in a matter of days. That's what ... You know what ... never mind Finish your thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 36 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Not really, it's about building depth in the minor leagues that can be useful when injuries and attrition inevitably happen. Avila did not use the waiver wire like this. He just didn't. We all acknowledged this as an issue when Avila was GM. Now that Harris is here, it gets mocked. I dont get it. He's not getting mocked for it. It's the right thing to do, but it's funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Toddwert said: its the hoping someone elses scrap bin players might turn into something... the method might be different but the idea is the same The difference here is that the sheer rate by which Harris is increasing the churn of players through use of the waiver system versus Avila increases the chances of finding useful players, and who knows, maybe even an undiscovered gem. Even if the hit rate of getting a WAR-positive player onto the roster is one in 10, it's worth the effort, because as an example, one in 10 out of 100 is worth far more than one in 10 out of 10. Christian Walker, Ramon Urias, and Jorge Mateo were all 3+ WAR players picked up by their current team off the waiver wire. The latter two by the Orioles, a team very much in our boat the past few seasons, and an organization we could do worse than to emulate when it comes to player acquisition. Edited January 6, 2023 by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share Posted January 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: He's not getting mocked for it. It's the right thing to do, but it's funny. I'm out of reactions for the day, so I will give you this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 For me, this will be an interesting test of our player evaluation abilities. They clearly see upside potential in these players that hasn’t manifested itself yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: He's not getting mocked for it. It's the right thing to do, but it's funny. I have seen a lot of people that have complained about his approach in terms of churning players since this offseason has began. Including on this board. Edited January 6, 2023 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: For me, this will be an interesting test of our player evaluation abilities. They clearly see upside potential in these players that hasn’t manifested itself yet. They may not find much of any, but its better than sitting around and doing nothing (which was the Avila approach) My objection is that some continually keep drawing a line between Harris and Avila when this is a clear cut example of how the two are much different. Edited January 6, 2023 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 This waiver churn is exactly how I roll on OOTP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Only 243 votes. Small sample size. Still.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Only 243 votes. Small sample size. Still.... Very scientific lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Just now, mtutiger said: Very scientific lol I've been saying...the last time Cabrera was our 3rd baseman, he won the Triple Crown and we went to the World Series. 🤣🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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