Toddwert Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 28 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: I remember the good old days, a poster would do play by play. I joined in 2005... I did that for awhile got good at spelling Hiram Bocachica 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 25 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: I know Vierling's arm plays in RF, but his speed is very well suited to LF in Comerica. I can't even remember where Meadows plays--does he have the arm to play in RF? I like the idea of Maton at SS (or someone else for that matter), but I doubt Hinch moves Baez from there. It's one thing, potentially, if you sign someone like Correa, but I doubt Javy would be super receptive to move for Nick Maton. No, it won't happen, but would probably improve the defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 26 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: I know Vierling's arm plays in RF, but his speed is very well suited to LF in Comerica. I can't even remember where Meadows plays--does he have the arm to play in RF? I like the idea of Maton at SS (or someone else for that matter), but I doubt Hinch moves Baez from there. It's one thing, potentially, if you sign someone like Correa, but I doubt Javy would be super receptive to move for Nick Maton. If Statcast is to be believed, Vierling has a bad jump and a great arm, which I believe suits him best for our smallish right field. His poor jump is also why he probably won't see much, if any, time in center. I would think Meadows would see some time in left when he is not DHing, perhaps splitting that with Baddoo if Akil makes it our of camp, and would see right field when Vierling is sitting against certain right handers. Maton played a few games at shortstop for the Phillies in 2021 and did poorly there, although it has been his primary position in the minors even into last year. Unless he absolutely dazzles in Lakeland while Baez collapses, I have trouble seeing Nick pushing Javy over to second. It's probably more likely Nick wins the second base job and pushes Schoop over the third which, really, I have trouble seeing even that. I think we are going to work Nick at third base for the most part to give him every chance to win that job, unless we pick up a more experienced third baseman in the interim which will allow us to stash Nick in Toledo for depth. We are not signing Correa. Not this winter, not ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 36 minutes ago, chasfh said: If Statcast is to be believed, Vierling has a bad jump and a great arm, which I believe suits him best for our smallish right field. His poor jump is also why he probably won't see much, if any, time in center. I would think Meadows would see some time in left when he is not DHing, perhaps splitting that with Baddoo if Akil makes it our of camp, and would see right field when Vierling is sitting against certain right handers. Maton played a few games at shortstop for the Phillies in 2021 and did poorly there, although it has been his primary position in the minors even into last year. Unless he absolutely dazzles in Lakeland while Baez collapses, I have trouble seeing Nick pushing Javy over to second. It's probably more likely Nick wins the second base job and pushes Schoop over the third which, really, I have trouble seeing even that. I think we are going to work Nick at third base for the most part to give him every chance to win that job, unless we pick up a more experienced third baseman in the interim which will allow us to stash Nick in Toledo for depth. We are not signing Correa. Not this winter, not ever. Any big league defensive stats for Maton are too light to have any meaning. He was consistently graded above average at short in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) I think Nevin is out of options so he will get a long look at third base against lefties is my guess with Maton playing third against righties and some second base as well. Edited January 10, 2023 by SoCalTiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 he is out of options; no one has ever been impressed with his D at 3rd, but if he can be competent there, he could be the short side of platoon until better option comes along; his splits are good vs LHP and seems to have plate discipline; worst case, if Tork bombs, he plays some 1st the current FG position player roster is pretty accurate as of today https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/depth-charts/tigers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 lol, this saga never ends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiger337 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Six years is very reasonable for Correa. That goes to age 35. That's a lot better than being potentially stuck with him until 40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Six years is very reasonable for Correa. That goes to age 35. That's a lot better than being potentially stuck with him until 40. Agree. Minny got a good deal because they were the only ones willing to take the chance. Will be interesting to see what the Mets do next. I don’t think they need to, but Cohen was very public in saying they needed another bat in Correa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 33 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: There's still time for a 4th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 35 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: What did he go from...? $340 mill to $300 mill to $200 mill? Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 PS: Wasn't he much better off if he never opted out...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just now, 1984Echoes said: What did he go from...? $340 mill to $300 mill to $200 mill? Ouch. Its all relative. If somebody offered me $340M today, then $300M in a month, and then I had to settle for $200M in two months? Cool, where do I sign up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff Mayhem Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 On 1/8/2023 at 3:56 PM, buddha said: mostly active in the politics board: aka hell on earth. The old timers will remember The Cosyns vs everybody. John could be very decent at times but his brother Jerry was something else. When the two of them got together, they were merciless in their vitriol. Tigercap and EwE got run off because of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Agree. Minny got a good deal because they were the only ones willing to take the chance. Will be interesting to see what the Mets do next. I don’t think they need to, but Cohen was very public in saying they needed another bat in Correa. TBH, they should look to Syracuse and let Brett Baty have a chance.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, SoCalTiger said: I think Nevin is out of options so he will get a long look at third base against lefties is my guess with Maton playing third against righties and some second base as well. I think so too, but there is some gray area on service years and 4th option. Sometimes guys get a 4th year that per the letter of the law as I read it they shouldn't. Nevin is such a player. Fangraphs doesn't always catch it (I've had to contact them to correct a few players, a la Paredes) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, casimir said: Its all relative. If somebody offered me $340M today, then $300M in a month, and then I had to settle for $200M in two months? Cool, where do I sign up? Oh me too, absolutely. But then... my name's not Carlos Correa and I don't play MLB SS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, 1984Echoes said: Oh me too, absolutely. But then... my name's not Carlos Correa and I don't play MLB SS... He’s unlikely to make up the $100M difference after this contract is over, which tells you that his medicals were troublesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I'm not sure there's ever been a contract like Correa's. 2023 36m + 4m bonus 2024 36m + 4m bonus 2025 36m 2026 31.5m 2027 30.5m 2028 30m 2029 25m vesting 502 AB previous year 2030 20m vesting 502 AB previous year 2031 15m vesting 502 AB previous year 2032 10m vesting 502 AB previous year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I like Correa, and was very vocal about wanting him to come here. However, If you look at his stats from last season, he didn’t really earn that contract. Of course that could be said of many others, so I guess there is a new standard. Kind of glad we stayed out of it as I think the majority of those contracts will become albatrosses sooner than later. Doesn’t help us much now, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 If his ankle is as bad as it sounds, maybe the Tigers "cheapskate" 8/275 from a year ago wasn't such a bad deal after all... 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) Jarvy had a bad year last year, but his deal looks better than Story's in retrospect all of a sudden Edited January 10, 2023 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 The Red Sox of old would've jumped in on Correa with the Story news, perhaps they are conceding that this won't be there year even if they got him so no reason to sacrifice future payroll for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: The Red Sox of old would've jumped in on Correa with the Story news, perhaps they are conceding that this won't be there year even if they got him so no reason to sacrifice future payroll for him. Really their big mistake was letting Bogaerts walk... Story made sense as a 2B option, but the reality is that his declining arm strength made him a questionable option as a SS option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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