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  On 1/12/2023 at 6:18 PM, 1984Echoes said:

Yeah, I'm assuming that the request itself...

Asking for a projected 2029 lineup...

Was facetious.

I might be wrong on that...

but a facetious question deserves a facetious response...

IMO.

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Its good to know that we only have to suffer through 6 more years, though.    I'll be 64.   Will you still feed me? 

Posted
  On 1/13/2023 at 6:45 PM, chasfh said:

I trust that they know what they’re doing with this guy although I don’t see it.

 

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About three times the minimum for a guy with an under four era in four years for us seems reasonable. 

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  On 1/13/2023 at 7:55 PM, KL2 said:

About three times the minimum for a guy with an under four era in four years for us seems reasonable. 

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If ERA were the only thing that mattered, that would be fine. But there are warning signs: dropping strikeout rate; BB/9 pushing five across those four years, including over six last year; and that his FIP, xFIP and SIERA all substantially underperformed his ERA during those four years. Then, of course, there's his advancing age.

But, like I say, they must know something about him I don't that justifies paying him 3x the minimum, so hopefully he delivers like a guy worth 3x the minimum.

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  On 1/13/2023 at 9:16 PM, chasfh said:

If ERA were the only thing that mattered, that would be fine. But there are warning signs: dropping strikeout rate; BB/9 pushing five across those four years, including over six last year; and that his FIP, xFIP and SIERA all substantially underperformed his ERA during those four years. Then, of course, there's his advancing age.

But, like I say, they must know something about him I don't that justifies paying him 3x the minimum, so hopefully he delivers like a guy worth 3x the minimum.

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I don't really care whether he's on the roster or not or how much they pay him, but given all the turnover and commitment to youth, it's a little surprising that they are going out of their way to keep him.   

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  On 1/13/2023 at 9:16 PM, chasfh said:

If ERA were the only thing that mattered, that would be fine. But there are warning signs: dropping strikeout rate; BB/9 pushing five across those four years, including over six last year; and that his FIP, xFIP and SIERA all substantially underperformed his ERA during those four years. Then, of course, there's his advancing age.

But, like I say, they must know something about him I don't that justifies paying him 3x the minimum, so hopefully he delivers like a guy worth 3x the minimum.

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A one year deal at pretty much nothing (that's why i said its just barely more than the minimum. 2 million for a player now a days is nothing). I guess i don't see what the downside is. If all those things you wrote hold true, you DFA and no fuss no muss. But if he continues to preform despite the outlier, then you have a guy who does 60 or so innings and minimal cost. Maybe even a trade chip. 

It's not like they gave him 10 or 5 million. It's two. And its a one year deal.

Who was he blocking? What is keeping him taking away from?

At 3x the league minimum he's about a third of 1 war player which seems about right for him.

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Given the current status and direction of the Tigers, I think there is no player on the 40-man roster I care less about than Jose Cisnero.  Maybe Zach Short.  I'd be happy if people stopped calling him Cisneros.  Why do they do that?  

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  On 1/13/2023 at 11:05 PM, Tiger337 said:

Given the current status and direction of the Tigers, I think there is no player on the 40-man roster I care less about than Jose Cisnero.  Maybe Zach Short.  I'd be happy if people stopped calling him Cisneros.  Why do they do that?  

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Interesting concept: Most Irrelevant Player on the 40.  I think I'll go with Zach Short,

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Cisnero gave up more walks (19) than hits (15) last season.  That’s kind of fun, right?

In fact, walks are his thing.  He walks about 12% of the hitters he faces (18% last season) against a league average of 8%.  So he walks 50% more batters than league average.  He strikes out 23% of hitters vs the MLB average of 21%.  This is a curious retention given what Harris has said about owning the strike zone.  It doesn’t really make much sense at all.

And I suspect the .242 BABIP from last season was due to hitters being too stunned at strikes to get swings on the pitch.  It’s just a theory.  Probably wrong.

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  On 1/13/2023 at 11:05 PM, Tiger337 said:

Given the current status and direction of the Tigers, I think there is no player on the 40-man roster I care less about than Jose Cisnero.  Maybe Zach Short.  I'd be happy if people stopped calling him Cisneros.  Why do they do that?  

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Cisnero is Spanish for “base on balls” and he gives up many much of those, so pluralize Cisnero to Cisneros?

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  On 1/13/2023 at 11:26 PM, Jim Cowan said:

Interesting concept: Most Irrelevant Player on the 40.  I think I'll go with Zach Short,

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It’s kind of like voting for the MVP and Cy Young.  Short gets the MIP and Cisnerohs gets the pitching equivalent.  MIPL for the Most Irrelevant PLayer and MIPI for Most Irrelevant PItcher?

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  On 1/13/2023 at 11:05 PM, Tiger337 said:

Given the current status and direction of the Tigers, I think there is no player on the 40-man roster I care less about than Jose Cisnero.  Maybe Zach Short.  I'd be happy if people stopped calling him Cisneros.  Why do they do that?  

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because he's gotten so fat we thought there were two of him.

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  On 1/13/2023 at 11:03 PM, KL2 said:

Who was he blocking?

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Have you seen the waiver acquisitions?  There’s no reason to lock in Cisnero.

Fetter has been pretty good at squeezing value out of relievers.  If he cant get someone to avoid walks since he’s been the pitching coach (Soto as a prime example), then there’s really no reason to keep that pitcher.  I suppose in defense of Soto, he didn’t pitch many innings last season.  But that also hardly serves as an excuse to keep him.

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