Tigermojo Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-tigers-young-sluggers-should-benefit-from-the-new-dimensions-in-comerica-park/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 9 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Tweeters often used to remind him off his 2009 Tigers stat line. He never gave a response. And he's ripping on Belt's numbers...........LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Jim Cowan said: Interesting concept: Most Irrelevant Player on the 40. I think I'll go with Zach Short, May he be the Brock Purdy of baseball this coming season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 1 hour ago, casimir said: Have you seen the waiver acquisitions? There’s no reason to lock in Cisnero. Fetter has been pretty good at squeezing value out of relievers. If he cant get someone to avoid walks since he’s been the pitching coach (Soto as a prime example), then there’s really no reason to keep that pitcher. I suppose in defense of Soto, he didn’t pitch many innings last season. But that also hardly serves as an excuse to keep him. Again 2 million, decent track record. I guess I just fail to see the problem and don't think some waiver wire guy on his fourth team this off-season is gonna match that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, KL2 said: Again 2 million, decent track record. I guess I just fail to see the problem and don't think some waiver wire guy on his fourth team this off-season is gonna match that. I fail to see how he’s decent. Edit to add: He is good at keeping the ball in the yard, and I would expect the same despite the dimension changes. So that is a credit to him. Edited January 14, 2023 by casimir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 2 hours ago, casimir said: Cisnero gave up more walks (19) than hits (15) last season. That’s kind of fun, right? To be fair, strictly last year is a pretty small sample size and he was coming off injury. But outside of 2020, he hasn't been great with the BB, which makes it curious to keep him for sure. My guess is that he's a veteran who AJ/Fetter trust and whose stuff they like, even if he has control issues. I dont really care one way or another whether he was retained, although he seems replaceable from within the org, let alone from the free agent market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 3 hours ago, Jim Cowan said: Interesting concept: Most Irrelevant Player on the 40. I think I'll go with Zach Short, It seems like a miracle that, for all the churn and the big Soto trade, Short still stands on the roster. I guess they value having a 4th guy on the 40 man who can play short? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 You wanna see your 2029 Tigers ? (on my OOTP team). C - Jeremy Jimenez - best defensive catcher in the AL 1B - Spencer Torkelson - turned it around in '24 2B - Dan Killoran trade from the Padres SS - Jimmy Vlanis 2027 Rookie Of The Year 3b - Gabe Rodriguez - Solid defender, light on the stick RF - Jose Diaz - very fast, no power CF - Riley Greene - complete player LF - Roberto Campos - struggling with BA and OBP DH - Kendal Ewell - incredible power, lousy defense INF - Wenceel Perez, Alex Gomez - typical utility guys OF - Mike Duvall - all three OF positions, good contact hitter with little power C - Yoma Tyler - solid defender Rotation Casey Mize - a slightly above average pitcher Tarik Skubal - streaky and often injured Jonathan Hesson - Biggest prospect in baseball in 2028 Trevor Koenig - very solid left handed pitcher Kellen Carpenter - 4th biggest prospect in baseball in 2028 Bullpen Daniel Barragan - another huge prospect Moises Castillo - Franklin DaCosta Willie Jimenez - our closer Matthew Matthijis Christian Rodriguez Wesley Sweatt 66-39 so far in 2029 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 7 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: You wanna see your 2029 Tigers ? (on my OOTP team). C - Jeremy Jimenez - best defensive catcher in the AL 1B - Spencer Torkelson - turned it around in '24 2B - Dan Killoran trade from the Padres SS - Jimmy Vlanis 2027 Rookie Of The Year 3b - Gabe Rodriguez - Solid defender, light on the stick RF - Jose Diaz - very fast, no power CF - Riley Greene - complete player LF - Roberto Campos - struggling with BA and OBP DH - Kendal Ewell - incredible power, lousy defense INF - Wenceel Perez, Alex Gomez - typical utility guys OF - Mike Duvall - all three OF positions, good contact hitter with little power C - Yoma Tyler - solid defender Rotation Casey Mize - a slightly above average pitcher Tarik Skubal - streaky and often injured Jonathan Hesson - Biggest prospect in baseball in 2028 Trevor Koenig - very solid left handed pitcher Kellen Carpenter - 4th biggest prospect in baseball in 2028 Bullpen Daniel Barragan - another huge prospect Moises Castillo - Franklin DaCosta Willie Jimenez - our closer Matthew Matthijis Christian Rodriguez Wesley Sweatt 66-39 so far in 2029 The roster with half fictional OOTP-created names is likely the most accurate in this thread. (And shows the point that we likely haven't heard of any relievers in the 2029 bullpen) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted January 14, 2023 Author Share Posted January 14, 2023 13 hours ago, KL2 said: A one year deal at pretty much nothing (that's why i said its just barely more than the minimum. 2 million for a player now a days is nothing). I guess i don't see what the downside is. If all those things you wrote hold true, you DFA and no fuss no muss. But if he continues to preform despite the outlier, then you have a guy who does 60 or so innings and minimal cost. Maybe even a trade chip. It's not like they gave him 10 or 5 million. It's two. And its a one year deal. Who was he blocking? What is keeping him taking away from? At 3x the league minimum he's about a third of 1 war player which seems about right for him. To clarify, my position is: I don’t get it, but the new regime must see something in him I don’t, so I’ll trust them. It’s not anything like: oh my god, they’re wasting my money on this palooka, fire Scott Harris. That said, if Cisnero shows clearly sub-replacement level early on, I hope they yank him right away before they waste too many innings on him, because innings are a precious commodity. I hope they don’t keep running him out there past his sell-by date hoping to get their money’s worth in a way they wouldn’t with a guy on minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted January 14, 2023 Author Share Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: You wanna see your 2029 Tigers ? (on my OOTP team). C - Jeremy Jimenez - best defensive catcher in the AL 1B - Spencer Torkelson - turned it around in '24 2B - Dan Killoran trade from the Padres SS - Jimmy Vlanis 2027 Rookie Of The Year 3b - Gabe Rodriguez - Solid defender, light on the stick RF - Jose Diaz - very fast, no power CF - Riley Greene - complete player LF - Roberto Campos - struggling with BA and OBP DH - Kendal Ewell - incredible power, lousy defense INF - Wenceel Perez, Alex Gomez - typical utility guys OF - Mike Duvall - all three OF positions, good contact hitter with little power C - Yoma Tyler - solid defender Rotation Casey Mize - a slightly above average pitcher Tarik Skubal - streaky and often injured Jonathan Hesson - Biggest prospect in baseball in 2028 Trevor Koenig - very solid left handed pitcher Kellen Carpenter - 4th biggest prospect in baseball in 2028 Bullpen Daniel Barragan - another huge prospect Moises Castillo - Franklin DaCosta Willie Jimenez - our closer Matthew Matthijis Christian Rodriguez Wesley Sweatt 66-39 so far in 2029 This is probably the most accurate projection for a roster six years from now I’ve ever seen, since there are a bunch of names I’ve never heard of! Although we might be hard-pressed to get Jonathan Hesson to put his lucrative obstetrics-gynecology practice at Ascension (fka South Macomb) Hospital in Warren on hold to join the rotation. EDIT: Ed beat me to the accuracy observation. Edited January 14, 2023 by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theroundsquare Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 16 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Given the current status and direction of the Tigers, I think there is no player on the 40-man roster I care less about than Jose Cisnero. Maybe Zach Short. I'd be happy if people stopped calling him Cisneros. Why do they do that? Because of Meijers, Fords, etcetera? Or they're thinking of former HUD secretary Henry Cisneros? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 Having a former HUD Secretary on board could help get government $$$ for Comerica park improvement efforts. Harris is smart... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 41 minutes ago, theroundsquare said: Because of Meijers, Fords, etcetera? Or they're thinking of former HUD secretary Henry Cisneros? I say Cisneros because that to me is more common of a name. Like calling Christin Stewart “Christian”. I didn’t care enough to bother getting it right. Just a casual glance at text. You skip past it. People still refer to Nick Lidstrom as “Lindstrom” and he’s a Hall of Famer and the second greatest Detroit Red Wing of all time. That’s wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 It is wrong....Steve Yzerman is the 2nd greatest Red Wing of all time 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Shinzaki said: It is wrong....Steve Yzerman is the 2nd greatest Red Wing of all time Is it wrong to call him Yzermans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 It’s possible that Cisneros appeal might be his willingness or ability to always pitch allowing other bullpen arms their required rest ? Every pen can use a “rubber “ arm guy to keep the pen as a whole fresh. I kind of remember Hinch saying that about Cisneros but I could be mistaken. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 Does Jose Cisnero warrant this much attention? Both the spelling of his last name and his inexpensive contract are pretty insignificant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 47 minutes ago, oblong said: I say Cisneros because that to me is more common of a name. Like calling Christin Stewart “Christian”. I didn’t care enough to bother getting it right. Just a casual glance at text. You skip past it. People still refer to Nick Lidstrom as “Lindstrom” and he’s a Hall of Famer and the second greatest Detroit Red Wing of all time. That’s wrong. I never knew a Cisneros before. It might be a regional thing. I get Greene versus Green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 50 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said: It’s possible that Cisneros appeal might be his willingness or ability to always pitch allowing other bullpen arms their required rest ? Every pen can use a “rubber “ arm guy to keep the pen as a whole fresh. I kind of remember Hinch saying that about Cisneros but I could be mistaken. Rubber arm? He’s strictly a one inning per outing pitcher as evidenced by his statistical history. He’s pitched 61 innings in 2021 and 25 innings in 2022. This hardly a measure of durability and/or stamina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 32 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Does Jose Cisnero warrant this much attention? Both the spelling of his last name and his inexpensive contract are pretty insignificant. Given his age and history and given the amount of waiver wire churn that Harris has created, I’m not sure how Cisnero warrants a guaranteed roster spot. It’s baffling, especially considering Harris’ stated desire to dominate the strike zone, which Cisnero’s walk rates kind of don’t line up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 42 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Does Jose Cisnero warrant this much attention? Both the spelling of his last name and his inexpensive contract are pretty insignificant. Everybody deserves attention! That is what great about this forum. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 13 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: You wanna see your 2029 Tigers ? (on my OOTP team). C - Jeremy Jimenez - best defensive catcher in the AL 1B - Spencer Torkelson - turned it around in '24 2B - Dan Killoran trade from the Padres SS - Jimmy Vlanis 2027 Rookie Of The Year 3b - Gabe Rodriguez - Solid defender, light on the stick RF - Jose Diaz - very fast, no power CF - Riley Greene - complete player LF - Roberto Campos - struggling with BA and OBP DH - Kendal Ewell - incredible power, lousy defense INF - Wenceel Perez, Alex Gomez - typical utility guys OF - Mike Duvall - all three OF positions, good contact hitter with little power C - Yoma Tyler - solid defender Rotation Casey Mize - a slightly above average pitcher Tarik Skubal - streaky and often injured Jonathan Hesson - Biggest prospect in baseball in 2028 Trevor Koenig - very solid left handed pitcher Kellen Carpenter - 4th biggest prospect in baseball in 2028 Bullpen Daniel Barragan - another huge prospect Moises Castillo - Franklin DaCosta Willie Jimenez - our closer Matthew Matthijis Christian Rodriguez Wesley Sweatt 66-39 so far in 2029 39-66 maybe. Year 45 of the rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 In terms of a franchise icon, Yzerman tops Lidstrom for sure. But as for a player…. Nick is second only to Gordie. Seven Norris trophies. Yzerman has said that himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: Everybody deserves attention! That is what great about this forum. 😄 yes. praying for another transaction soon to divert our focus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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