Tenacious D Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 5:43 PM, casimir said: Given his age and history and given the amount of waiver wire churn that Harris has created, I’m not sure how Cisnero warrants a guaranteed roster spot. It’s baffling, especially considering Harris’ stated desire to dominate the strike zone, which Cisnero’s walk rates kind of don’t line up with. Expand I think we're overthinking it. He's a proven major league pitcher who has had previous success. Not great, but we need innings, especially after losing four members from last year's pen. He's not blocking anyone--If he doesn't pitch well, cut him. I have the exact same attitude toward Schoop. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 7:05 PM, Tenacious D said: I think we're overthinking it. He's a proven major league pitcher who has had previous success. Not great, but we need innings, especially after losing four members from last year's pen. He's not blocking anyone--If he doesn't pitch well, cut him. I have the exact same attitude toward Schoop. Expand Not sure what people were expecting after they dealt Soto and Jimenez. There are too many spots in a modern BP to try to roll them all over at the same time. Quote
Shinzaki Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 6:50 PM, oblong said: In terms of a franchise icon, Yzerman tops Lidstrom for sure. But as for a player…. Nick is second only to Gordie. Seven Norris trophies. Yzerman has said that himself. Expand Yzerman is Canadian...so of course he's going to be polite and defer to Nik 1 Quote
Jim Cowan Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 Cisnero isn't causing any particular harm right now. The danger is that he will stink but they will stubbornly refuse to stop playing him, like they did with Grossman last year. Quote
casimir Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 7:05 PM, Tenacious D said: I think we're overthinking it. He's a proven major league pitcher who has had previous success. Not great, but we need innings, especially after losing four members from last year's pen. He's not blocking anyone--If he doesn't pitch well, cut him. I have the exact same attitude toward Schoop. Expand He’s had proven lack of success, too. Hey, if he were on the other side of 30, it’s more understandable to me to keep him. Quote
casimir Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 8:47 PM, Jim Cowan said: Cisnero isn't causing any particular harm right now. Expand Well, yeah, he’s not pitching right now, so…. 1 Quote
Edman85 Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) Why the outrage over Cisnero after he agrees to his deal and not when he was offered arbitration? The deal isn't exorbitant at all, and roughly in line with what I would expect him to get in arb. Once he was tendered in November, it's not like they can just back out. Edited January 14, 2023 by Edman85 Quote
casimir Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 9:11 PM, Edman85 said: Why the outrage over Cisnero after he agrees to his deal and not when he was offered arbitration? The deal isn't exorbitant at all, and roughly in line with what I would expect him to get in arb. Once he was tendered in November, it's not like they can just back out. Expand I was busy then. Just catching up now. Quote
casimir Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 On 10/23/2022 at 1:11 PM, casimir said: I suspect in order to get down from 49 to the maximum of 40 for the time being, the following transactions will occur: Further, I think there are 10 players that could be added to that pile, although I think their future is a bit more questionable for one reason or another. That leaves the following list of pitchers and position players: Expand For the record, I advised cutting Cisnero in October. Unfortunately, Harris missed my post. Quote
Edman85 Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) On 1/14/2023 at 9:26 PM, casimir said: For the record, I advised cutting Cisnero in October. Unfortunately, Harris missed my post. Expand He was atop my list too, tbh. I don't mind hanging on to him. It's not like a Miggy Situation where you are stuck with him and can't cut him if he struggles. Edited January 14, 2023 by Edman85 Quote
Tenacious D Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 9:26 PM, casimir said: For the record, I advised cutting Cisnero in October. Unfortunately, Harris missed my post. Expand Did that include losing Chafin, Jimenez and Soto, too? Quote
mtutiger Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 12:43 PM, chasfh said: That said, if Cisnero shows clearly sub-replacement level early on, I hope they yank him right away before they waste too many innings on him, because innings are a precious commodity. I hope they don’t keep running him out there past his sell-by date hoping to get their money’s worth in a way they wouldn’t with a guy on minimum. Expand Based on what we have seen this off-season, it's fair to expect Harris to be a little more quicker with the hook than the former GM Quote
Tenacious D Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 If Cisnero was a free agent from another team, he’s the kind of pitcher I would expect to see Harris take a risk on. Where was the outrage when we signed Shreve Chasen to a $1.25M contract? Quote
Tiger337 Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 9:11 PM, Edman85 said: Why the outrage over Cisnero after he agrees to his deal and not when he was offered arbitration? The deal isn't exorbitant at all, and roughly in line with what I would expect him to get in arb. Once he was tendered in November, it's not like they can just back out. Expand I, for one, am not outraged. I don't really care about Cisnero one way or the other. I am just a little surprised he survived the off-season purge. Quote
casimir Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 10:12 PM, Tenacious D said: Did that include losing Chafin, Jimenez and Soto, too? Expand Oh, I wanted Soto gone, too. I see no use for pitchers that walk as many batters as he and Cisnero do. Maybe I’m wrong, but I prefer Tiger pitchers get outs rather than allow free passes. Quote
casimir Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 10:31 PM, Tenacious D said: If Cisnero was a free agent from another team, he’s the kind of pitcher I would expect to see Harris take a risk on. Where was the outrage when we signed Shreve Chasen to a $1.25M contract? Expand I’m still hungover from trading Soto away. Quote
Tenacious D Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 11:04 PM, casimir said: Oh, I wanted Soto gone, too. I see no use for pitchers that walk as many batters as he and Cisnero do. Maybe I’m wrong, but I prefer Tiger pitchers get outs rather than allow free passes. Expand Don’t disagree, but it’s a lot easier to get rid of shitty guys than it is to find 3-4 upgrades. Quote
Tiger337 Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 I don't care about bullpen pieces on a non-contending team. The bullpen will work itself out especially with Fetter. Quote
1984Echoes Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 11:04 PM, casimir said: Oh, I wanted Soto gone, too. I see no use for pitchers that walk as many batters as he and Cisnero do. Maybe I’m wrong, but I prefer Tiger pitchers get outs rather than allow free passes. Expand Based primarily on this, I don't get why we didn't made a push to get Chafin back here instead of Cisnero. Oh... Cisnero cost $2 mill and Chafin is going to cost what? $18-27 mill on a 2/3 year year contract? So there's that... But... Chafin is actually good, limits walks, is LH'ed, fits Harris's specifically stated player profile, and would still be a trade candidate/ OR a BP leader for the team, one way or the other. Just a personal preference and I don't care about the money or the years... But... I don't really care based on where the team is this year (trying to fix all its broken players) so whatever. But, my personal preference still would have been Chafin... just sayin'. Quote
Tenacious D Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 11:36 PM, 1984Echoes said: Based primarily on this, I don't get why we didn't made a push to get Chafin back here instead of Cisnero. Oh... Cisnero cost $2 mill and Chafin is going to cost what? $18-27 mill on a 2/3 year year contract? So there's that... But... Chafin is actually good, limits walks, is LH'ed, fits Harris's specifically stated player profile, and would still be a trade candidate/ OR a BP leader for the team, one way or the other. Just a personal preference and I don't care about the money or the years... But... I don't really care based on where the team is this year (trying to fix all its broken players) so whatever. But, my personal preference still would have been Chafin... just sayin'. Expand This assumes he wanted to come back. Which I doubt, but I suppose it is still possible until he signs elsewhere. Quote
1984Echoes Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 Obviously we don't know exactly what is on his mind... But, I'm just guessing here... the Tigers aren't in any of those contract discussions with his agent as they are not going to go there (age/ years/ cost)... again, I'm just guessing... but I don't think it's an issue of whether he is open to coming back to Detroit or not... Quote
Tenacious D Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 11:47 PM, 1984Echoes said: Obviously we don't know exactly what is on his mind... But, I'm just guessing here... the Tigers aren't in any of those contract discussions with his agent as they are not going to go there (age/ years/ cost)... again, I'm just guessing... but I don't think it's an issue of whether he is open to coming back to Detroit or not... Expand Twins fans probably didn’t think Correa was coming back, either. “So, you’re saying there’s a chance?” Quote
Jim Cowan Posted January 15, 2023 Posted January 15, 2023 We don't know anything at all about whether or not Harris is trying to sign Chafin. 1 2 Quote
Tenacious D Posted January 15, 2023 Posted January 15, 2023 On 1/15/2023 at 12:10 AM, Jim Cowan said: We don't know anything at all about whether or not Harris is trying to sign Chafin. Expand Exactly. Without anything reported, the assumption is that Harris is doing nothing. He’s close to the vest and the Tigers will likely be absent from MLB Trade Rumors coverage, so I suspect he will not be given the benefit of the doubt until the team starts winning. I would expect the casual fan to be suspect, but surprised how much negativity he’s already come under here. 1 Quote
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