casimir Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 58 minutes ago, chasfh said: For all his fire, personality, and World Series heroics, Kirk Gibson was never on an All-Star team, although, asterisk, he did turn down two invites. Hey, it was the 80s. Tony Phillips never made one, either. He might be the guy with the highest career WAR in the All-Star Game era who didn’t make one. He also got MVP votes in only one season, for us in 1993, when he finished 16th. The curse of the super-duper utility guy. He probably played more games at more non-battery positions than any player ever. No one knew just what the hell he was. One other thing about Phillips is how late he blossomed. I drafted him for an OOTP team. I had to wait a lo-o-o-ong time for that ship to come in. In his prime, Phillips was awesome. Switch hitter, worked counts, had some pop, stole a few bags, could be moved around the diamond. So fun. There was a game in his second go around with the A's, they were playing in Detroit. In one of the later innings, LaRussa shuffled he and another IF back and forth between 2B and 3B based on the hitter for Detroit. It wasn't a current day shift, although the Oakland IF was shifting a bit from line to line. Phillips and this other A were essentially swapping defensive positions during the inning. Oh, yes, its this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, casimir said: I'm drawing a blank on who could have been the Milwaukee representative on some of those nonMolitor Brewer teams. That might be interesting to look back at. Sure, having Ripken as the seemingly annual starting SS takes away one slot. And then there's never a shortage of OFs when Yount moved to the grass. Cecil Cooper and Ben Ogilvie seem to be prominent. Throw in Ted Simmons and Dan Plesac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Milwaukee_Brewers_award_winners_and_All-Stars 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Yount was the MVP in 1989 and didn't make the All Star Game...perhaps he didn't want to be a part of things and made that clear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Feature I found on Yount and the AS game... https://shepherdexpress.com/sports/brew-crew-confidential/robin-yount-only-made-three-all-star-teams-what-gives/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, casimir said: I'm drawing a blank on who could have been the Milwaukee representative on some of those nonMolitor Brewer teams. That might be interesting to look back at. Sure, having Ripken as the seemingly annual starting SS takes away one slot. And then there's never a shortage of OFs when Yount moved to the grass. Molitor and Plesac mostly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 31 minutes ago, Shinzaki said: Feature I found on Yount and the AS game... https://shepherdexpress.com/sports/brew-crew-confidential/robin-yount-only-made-three-all-star-teams-what-gives/ In reviewing 1984 he disses Tram 3 times. First he sort of questions his selection as if it were something questionable... then he spells his name "Allan Trammel" or "Alan Trammel" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, oblong said: Phillips would be recognized a lot earlier for his versatility in today's game and the value spotted. I still remember when the Tigers signed him. It was the same time that ESPN got the MLB contract so it seems like they were covering the game more. It was the winter meetings and they were talking to Gammons in a hallway. He called it a big signing and said Phillips will do very well in Detroit. Back in the day when you found out stuff like that from TV rather than a tweet. I usually found out about trades listening to the radio. They would have a re-cap of the trades each night during the winter meetings. If it was a smaller signing, I wouldn't find out out until a day or two later in the transactiolns section of the newspaper. When they signed Phillips, I was at a grad school dorm with no TV and poor radio reception. I found out about it in a phone call with my father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Phillips and Tettleton were both underrated and Scott Harris would have salivated over both of those guys. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, casimir said: I'm drawing a blank on who could have been the Milwaukee representative on some of those nonMolitor Brewer teams. That might be interesting to look back at. Sure, having Ripken as the seemingly annual starting SS takes away one slot. And then there's never a shortage of OFs when Yount moved to the grass. Wasn't Paul Molitor an almost automatic in...? I didn't check... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) Another thing about Yount is he had a reputation of not being in love with the game. Early in his career, he had a contract dispute and threarened to quit the game and become a pro golfer. I know I always always thought of him as a rebel after that, although not really in a bad way. If there was a perception that he didn't like the game or if he really didn't like it that much, that could have affected his number of all-star appearances. Edited February 1, 2023 by Tiger337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 I think...maybe...Yount was hurt a bit by the fact that he wasn't a huge HR guy. Had a lot of TB because you could count on him for @40 doubles a year and @10 triples, but his HR totals were lower. People are marks for the long ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theroundsquare Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 hours ago, casimir said: I'm drawing a blank on who could have been the Milwaukee representative on some of those nonMolitor Brewer teams. That might be interesting to look back at. Sure, having Ripken as the seemingly annual starting SS takes away one slot. And then there's never a shortage of OFs when Yount moved to the grass. Cecil Cooper had some big years in the early 1980s. Maybe him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 56 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Phillips and Tettleton were both underrated and Scott Harris would have salivated over both of those guys. Hold on now.... They are former Tigers. We're not allowed to have this discussion, are we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, theroundsquare said: Cecil Cooper had some big years in the early 1980s. Maybe him? No... Yount actually was an All-Star in the early 80's ('80, '82, '83) when they were good and Cecil was a dominant factor along with some other guys... (and they had multiple All-Stars each year...). But starting in '84 when they weren't so good and only got one player in per year, it was Plesac 3 times and Molitor 4 times, Cecil and several others once each. He got shut out by the numbers game and popular other choices... Even Dave Parker got it once in '90 as a DH?!?! Sheesh! Edited February 1, 2023 by 1984Echoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: Another thing about Yount is he had a reputation of not being in love with the game. Early in his career, he had a contract dispute and threarened to quit the game and become a pro golfer. I know I always always thought of him as a rebel after that, although not really in a bad way. If there was a perception that he didn't like the game or if he really didn't like it that much, that could have affected his number of all-star appearances. He was also into Motorcross during the offseason. They worried the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 That's right. I remember the motocross now too. He always seemed like a player who did what he wanted and didn't give a shit what anyone though about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 hours ago, casimir said: Hold on now.... They are former Tigers. We're not allowed to have this discussion, are we? I always plead ignorance when it comes to rules of engagement here. and pretty much everything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 https://blogs.fangraphs.com/diamond-sports-groups-bankruptcy-could-rock-the-baseball-revenue-boat/ I wonder if this might have played a role in the Tigers lack of offseason... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, Cruzer1 said: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/diamond-sports-groups-bankruptcy-could-rock-the-baseball-revenue-boat/ I wonder if this might have played a role in the Tigers lack of offseason... I'm not saying it's likely, but I now I do wonder a bit if when the Tigers decided not to set up their own RSN, part of the reason was the possibility they could end up buying the this one at firesale prices. You don't need to be a Warren Buffet level investing guru to know that a lot LBOs end in failure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 5 hours ago, casimir said: In his prime, Phillips was awesome. Switch hitter, worked counts, had some pop, stole a few bags, could be moved around the diamond. So fun. There was a game in his second go around with the A's, they were playing in Detroit. In one of the later innings, LaRussa shuffled he and another IF back and forth between 2B and 3B based on the hitter for Detroit. It wasn't a current day shift, although the Oakland IF was shifting a bit from line to line. Phillips and this other A were essentially swapping defensive positions during the inning. Oh, yes, its this one. Didn't the Mets do that a couple years ago? Was Alderson in charge of both teams? Was he the common thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 9 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I'm not saying it's likely, but I now I do wonder a bit if when the Tigers decided not to set up their own RSN, part of the reason was the possibility they could end up buying the this one at firesale prices. You don't need to be a Warren Buffet level investing guru to know that a lot LBOs end in failure. The reason is likely related but more that it was explored and they realized it was a declining business model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 1, 2023 Author Share Posted February 1, 2023 4 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Another thing about Yount is he had a reputation of not being in love with the game. Early in his career, he had a contract dispute and threarened to quit the game and become a pro golfer. I know I always always thought of him as a rebel after that, although not really in a bad way. If there was a perception that he didn't like the game or if he really didn't like it that much, that could have affected his number of all-star appearances. Robin Yount was the first player I saw who I thought, man, he's not all that much older than I. I'm a lot closer to major league age than I thought. I was 13 at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Edman85 said: Didn't the Mets do that a couple years ago? Was Alderson in charge of both teams? Was he the common thread? Not sure if the Mets tried that. Anderson was out of Oakland after the 1998 season. The Phillips flip flop inning happened in 1999. And I was wrong about LaRussa being the manager for Oakland for that game. He was gone after 1995. Art Howe was in charge in 1999. Edited February 2, 2023 by casimir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 4 hours ago, Tenacious D said: I always plead ignorance That’s probably good life advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 hour ago, casimir said: Not sure if the Mets tried that. Anderson was out of Oakland after the 1998 season. The Phillips flip flop inning happened in 1999. And I was wrong about LaRussa being the manager for Oakland for that game. He was gone after 1995. Art Howe was in charge in 1999. Found it... https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN201708160.shtml Mets had some injuries so they had to move Travis d'Arnaud to second base, but switched him with Asdrubal Cabrera so that Cabrera would always be on the pull side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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