Tiger337 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) I don't care so much how long games last, but I do like a fast PACE. So, I am happy to see the pitch clock. I am also interested to see whether a faster pace between pitches affect pitcher stamina and ability to throw their hardest on every pitch. Edited February 16, 2023 by Tiger337 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I don't care so much how long games last, but I do like a fast PACE. So, I am happy to see the pitch clock. I am also interested to see whether a faster pace between pitches affect pitcher stamina and ability to throw their hardest on every pitch. I just hope they keep the Kiss cam at the stadiums. I can only handle so much change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 15 hours ago, Tiger337 said: I don't care so much how long games last, but I do like a fast PACE. So, I am happy to see the pitch clock. I am also interested to see whether a faster pace between pitches affect pitcher stamina and ability to throw their hardest on every pitch. I think what happens is that teams will keep more pitchers on their 40-man roster (maybe up to 25); they will trot out as many pitchers in a game as they can; they will max out the five-time option limits on their optional pitchers; and they will churn the waiver wire to get a consistent stream of fresh arms to throw at hitters. I also think we'll see an increase in mid-inning pitching changes and more three-and-done outings. Teams have been average around 3.3 to 3.4 relievers a game for the last five seasons. That might go up to four per game or even more. I think what we won't see is very much of leaving a quickly-tiring pitcher in there to get shelled, at least not until late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 24 minutes ago, chasfh said: I think what happens is that teams will keep more pitchers on their 40-man roster (maybe up to 25); they will trot out as many pitchers in a game as they can; they will max out the five-time option limits on their optional pitchers; and they will churn the waiver wire to get a consistent stream of fresh arms to throw at hitters. I also think we'll see an increase in mid-inning pitching changes and more three-and-done outings. Teams have been average around 3.3 to 3.4 relievers a game for the last five seasons. That might go up to four per game or even more. I think what we won't see is very much of leaving a quickly-tiring pitcher in there to get shelled, at least not until late. It seems to be trending in that direction. I wonder how far they go with it until there aren't enough major league pitchers tp go around. I have heard people say that the ideal situation would be to have 9 pitchers pitching one inning each and going all out for that inning, but I don't think there would be enough quality pitchers to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 No starters, no relievers. The perfectly symmetric pitching staff.: 12 pitchers, everybody throws 3 innings every 4th day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 53 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: No starters, no relievers. The perfectly symmetric pitching staff.: 12 pitchers, everybody throws 3 innings every 4th day. That works if nobody gets shelled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 58 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: It seems to be trending in that direction. I wonder how far they go with it until there aren't enough major league pitchers tp go around. I have heard people say that the ideal situation would be to have 9 pitchers pitching one inning each and going all out for that inning, but I don't think there would be enough quality pitchers to do that. That will be especially true if they juice the ball as I suspect they will. There's an outside chance this will be 1930 NL all over again, albeit with leagues hitting .270 versus .300 because of all the strikeouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, chasfh said: That works if nobody gets shelled. what's the diff? The way managers work it today, they use so many guys they almost guarantee that they are going to bring in someone having an off-day. I say that tongue in cheek but I do believe that the modern system completely misses the reality that on any given day, some guys are not going to be able to perform, and that the more guys you regularly use in one game, the more games you put at risk of hitting a guy who gets shelled and loses that game. That goes under what I would call genneral over confidence in numbers. A player is NOT his stats. His stats are only the average of what he is over time. On any given day he might be anything other than what his stats say he should be. Ignore that at your peril as a manager. Edited February 17, 2023 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gilmore Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Reliever roulette 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: what's the diff? The way managers work it today, they use so many guys they almost guarantee that they are going to bring in someone having an off-day. I say that tongue in cheek but I do believe that the modern system completely misses the reality that on any given day, some guys are not going to be able to perform, and that the more guys you regularly use in one game, the more games you put at risk of hitting a guy who gets shelled and loses that game. That goes under what I would call genneral over confidence in numbers. A player is NOT his stats. His stats are only the average of what he is over time. On any given day he might be anything other than what his stats say he should be. Ignore that at your peril as a manager. I have noticed you referencing this point for some time. I think even into 2021 and it has proven to be true. It’s almost like playing Russian roulette. Eventually you take a bullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, Tiger337 said: I don't care so much how long games last, but I do like a fast PACE. So, I am happy to see the pitch clock. I am also interested to see whether a faster pace between pitches affect pitcher stamina and ability to throw their hardest on every pitch. Speaking of this I came across this video yesterday and its painful to watch. For those that can't handle the pain of watching the video the answer is 7, 7 freaking times Altuve rounded the bases inbetween pitches by this guy, that's like a half of mile worth of baserunning. Insane! Edited February 17, 2023 by RandyMarsh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 4 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: No starters, no relievers. The perfectly symmetric pitching staff.: 12 pitchers, everybody throws 3 innings every 4th day. Oakland tried that for a short bit, I think maybe LaRussa? But I think it was back when teams used 11 man pitching staffs. The “rotation” was 3 pitchers for 3 innings for 3 games. A closer in there, and a spare arm. I don’t think it lasted long, maybe around a month? I don’t know what the rules are on promotions/demotions/options. I suppose that might be the new exploitation if needed. Maybe a team has 13 or 14 pitchers to use among 12 major league roster spots, and a handful of arms are rotated through? Didn’t the minor leagues kind of fade roster maximums away a bit to where it is a maximum of players available per game rather than maximum per roster? It could be a possible plan. Then again, as the great philosopher Tyson once noted, “everyone has a plan until they got punched in the face”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, SoCalTiger said: I have noticed you referencing this point for some time. I think even into 2021 and it has proven to be true. It’s almost like playing Russian roulette. Eventually you take a bullet. I call it reliever roulette. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Dan Gilmore said: Reliever roulette Yeah, you beat me to it. I hate that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 2 hours ago, casimir said: Yeah, you beat me to it. I hate that game. Yes you are both correct unless it results in a blown lead and a lost game then it’s RR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 Another ex-Tiger on yet another minor league deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 20 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: what's the diff? The way managers work it today, they use so many guys they almost guarantee that they are going to bring in someone having an off-day. I say that tongue in cheek but I do believe that the modern system completely misses the reality that on any given day, some guys are not going to be able to perform, and that the more guys you regularly use in one game, the more games you put at risk of hitting a guy who gets shelled and loses that game. That goes under what I would call genneral over confidence in numbers. A player is NOT his stats. His stats are only the average of what he is over time. On any given day he might be anything other than what his stats say he should be. Ignore that at your peril as a manager. OK, I wondered whether you were being serious here, but not completely sure either way. I do fear that with the coming rise in offensive numbers, especially if the ball is re-juiced, pitchers and their coaches are going to try harder than ever to come up twisty, turny, ever-faster magic pitches to try to miss bats, resulting in even more season- and career-ending injuries than we see even today. Bseballl has simply got to deaden that ball to instill confidence in pitchers generally that if the bat lands on the pitch, there’s still a very good chance it stays in the park and has a chance of turning into an out. To do that, they’d probably have to cut the home run rate down to something under 1.00 per game and have it persist for a few seasons. Otherwise, as long as that homer rate is floating around 1.25 or even higher, I think we’re just going to keep seeing endless pitcher injuries ad infinitum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, chasfh said: OK, I wondered whether you were being serious here, but not completely sure either way. I do fear that with the coming rise in offensive numbers, especially if the ball is re-juiced, pitchers and their coaches are going to try harder than ever to come up twisty, turny, ever-faster magic pitches to try to miss bats, resulting in even more season- and career-ending injuries than we see even today. Bseballl has simply got to deaden that ball to instill confidence in pitchers generally that if the bat lands on the pitch, there’s still a very good chance it stays in the park and has a chance of turning into an out. To do that, they’d probably have to cut the home run rate down to something under 1.00 per game and have it persist for a few seasons. Otherwise, as long as that homer rate is floating around 1.25 or even higher, I think we’re just going to keep seeing endless pitcher injuries ad infinitum. I've also said this as a joke but it's also true - If OSHA had jurisdiction over baseball they would have had to change the was pitchers throw a long time ago. Now of course, that's a joke because we don't care that guys making millions of dollars make a concious decision to put their UCLs at more risk that we allow workers who get more ordinary paychecks to take whether they are willing or not, but consider all the MiLB kids who end up with surgery who never get any kind of payday from baseball. Of course there are lot injuries in all sports, but off hand I can't think of any other sport where you have a particular injury which has become so much a matter of inevitability rather than just the risk of random accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Perhaps the debate will shift from the feasibility of robot umpires towards the need for robot pitching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Shinzaki said: Perhaps the debate will shift from the feasibility of robot umpires towards the need for robot pitching “Now pitching … for the Detroit Tigers … number 3.14 … Bleep … Blorp …” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, chasfh said: “Now pitching … for the Detroit Tigers … number 3.14 … Bleep … Blorp …” I'm bigger fan of 420.69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Oh gosh we missed out on Grossman he signed with the Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Next year will be the 40th anniversary of the 1984 World Series team. Be sure to purchase your official World Series replica hat from the MLB store before they run out. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff Mayhem Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 41 minutes ago, casimir said: Next year will be the 40th anniversary of the 1984 World Series team. Be sure to purchase your official World Series replica hat from the MLB store before they run out. It's missing an unkempt bed and an inflatable date. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 43 minutes ago, Biff Mayhem said: It's missing an unkempt bed and an inflatable date. anyone have the great picture? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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