2022-23 Detroit Tigers Offseason Thread

[Shinzaki]

Is there hard evidence that CI is a miser or is just one of those internet memes these kids on the tiktoks are so fond of?

Edited December 12, 2022 by Shinzaki

[Useful Idiot]

13 hours ago, Toddwert said:

so we're in for another crappy season... great way to keep a fan base

yes, but we're getting new lighting, isn't that great?   

[Jim Cowan]

4 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

Is there hard evidence that CI is a miser or is just one of those internet mems these kids on the tiktoks are so fond of?

No evidence at all.

[Useful Idiot]

7 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

Is there hard evidence that CI is a miser or is just one of those internet mems these kids on the tiktoks are so fond of?

I'd say he's a shoo-in for revenue sharing subsidy again this year,  likely right where he wants to be.

[Shinzaki]

2 minutes ago, Useful Idiot said:

I'd say he's a shoo-in for revenue sharing subsidy again this year,  likely right where he wants to be.

So you think he'd rather be subsidized than win?  What is that based on?

[Longgone]

7 minutes ago, Useful Idiot said:

I'd say he's a shoo-in for revenue sharing subsidy again this year,  likely right where he wants to be.

You are showing your ignorance, again.

[chasfh]

35 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

The problem with Frazier, aside from the fact that he'll command more money/years, is that he really doesn't hit for much power, something this team badly needs. Edwin Rios or even Anderson would probably be better options at least in that sense.

Rios has never batted more than 92 times in a season in four years and he gets hurt a lot, so I don't know if he can be relied upon to provide hundreds of at bats effectively.

Anderson has more pop but Frazier has way better bat-to-ball skills plus a better glove, and across the past three seasons their run-creation results were essentially the same. We need all of the main things either can provide. I could see the Tigers signing one of these two guys, but not both., so it may depend on whether they prefer someone to play primarily infield (LHH Frazier) or primarily outfield (RHH Anderson).

[Longgone]

8 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

So you think he'd rather be subsidized than win?  What is that based on?

He doesn't know what he's talking about, revenue sharing is based on market size.

[Shinzaki]

5 minutes ago, Longgone said:

He doesn't know what he's talking about, revenue sharing is based on market size.

So...you're saying Chris Ilitch is installing the new lights to create epileptic seizures in downtown Detroit in order to kill enough people to shrink the market until he can be subsidized?  #EvilGenius

Edited December 12, 2022 by Shinzaki

[Longgone]

2 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

So...you're saying Chris Ilitch is installing the new lights to create epileptic seizure in downtown Detroit in order to kill enough people to shrink the market until he can be subsidized?  #EvilGenius

Clever, but wouldn't make much difference. The only major impact they could have would be if their market and revenues somehow grew to be in upper half of the larger markets.

[Useful Idiot]

5 minutes ago, Longgone said:

You are showing your ignorance, again.

Face it Goner, if you truly believed that my negativity was groundless, you'd just blow it off as meaningless nonsense.

That you reveal your irritation betrays that you see enough truth in it, that it frightens you. As well it should.

What I wonder about you personally is how long the shroud of denial will keep working for you? Will you give them 3 years? 4  Years?  5 years from now when they begin this process all over will you believe them when they insist that a wildcard berth is nearly in our grasp?

[Longgone]

1 minute ago, Useful Idiot said:

Face it Goner, if you truly believed that my negativity was groundless, you'd just blow it off as meaningless nonsense.

That you reveal your irritation betrays that you see enough truth in it, that it frightens you. As well it should.

What I wonder about you personally is how long the shroud of denial will keep working for you? Will you give them 3 years? 4  Years?  5 years from now when they begin this process all over will you believe them when they insist that a wildcard berth is nearly in our grasp?

You made an ignorant statement. Own it.

[RatkoVarda]

31 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

Is there hard evidence that CI is a miser or is just one of those internet mems these kids on the tiktoks are so fond of?

people see what they want to see

yes, he extended Schoop; spent on Baez, ERod and Chafin last winter; splurged on Barnhart and brought in Meadows late. he made the biggest offer to Correa (but people tell me that's proof he is cheap as he knew Correa would reject it)

Avila brought in new tech and new people and that cost money.

but no one really knows if Chris thwarted Avila's master plan by saying no to a signing or a trade or a tech or a hire.

I suspect the fact that Avila's low payroll helped get the Tigers into the black made Chris happy

 

[chasfh]

It's still early and there's a lot of winter left, but the angst from some over not finding an impact bat in free agency puts me in mind of 2003-04. That's when we signed Ivan Rodriguez after he'd painted himself in a corner demanding 4/40. No one else, including the Marlins, was going to give him that, so once it became apparent we were the only team that was going to offer it, he basically had to take it.

But once he got here, had a really good year, and was the face of a team that improved by almost 30 wins, I think that might have helped pave the way for more top free agents to sign with us, including Maggs and Troy Percival for the following season, and Kenny Rogers and Todd Jones for the season after that.

They didn't all work out swimmingly, of course, but point is they were all toward the top of their free agent class, and I do wonder, had we not signed Pudge for 2004, would we have gotten those other free agents at that time?

[chasfh]

6 minutes ago, Useful Idiot said:

What I wonder about you personally is how long the shroud of denial will keep working for you? Will you give them 3 years? 4  Years?  5 years from now when they begin this process all over will you believe them when they insist that a wildcard berth is nearly in our grasp?

How long are you going to give the Tigers until you quit the team?

[Useful Idiot]

21 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

So you think he'd rather be subsidized than win?  What is that based on?

Winning requires talent, talent costs money.  So, if you're getting the subsidy anyway, by keeping your costs to a minimum, you come out ahead in balance.   It's not that he's averse to winning, if "winning" came along miraculously with no strings attached (2015 Royals) I'm sure he'd graciously accept it. He's just not willing to pay the cost of admission.

[Useful Idiot]

7 minutes ago, Longgone said:

You made an ignorant statement. Own it.

Sorry that you and I don't share much common ground.    

[Useful Idiot]

2 minutes ago, chasfh said:

How long are you going to give the Tigers until you quit the team?

I really see that as an abusive comment.   Hope you found it gratifying.

What I've concluded is that I'll be dead of old age before this team is ever close to dominance. So I feel the reality is more one that this team quit me.

[mtutiger]

24 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Rios has never batted more than 92 times in a season in four years and he gets hurt a lot, so I don't know if he can be relied upon to provide hundreds of at bats effectively.

I get that, but do believe he's one of those buy-low upside candidates that's in Harris' wheelhouse. 

[Longgone]

10 minutes ago, Useful Idiot said:

Face it Goner, if you truly believed that my negativity was groundless, you'd just blow it off as meaningless nonsense.

That you reveal your irritation betrays that you see enough truth in it, that it frightens you. As well it should.

What I wonder about you personally is how long the shroud of denial will keep working for you? Will you give them 3 years? 4  Years?  5 years from now when they begin this process all over will you believe them when they insist that a wildcard berth is nearly in our grasp?

This is your normal gobbledygook that means nothing. Like most trolls, you post false, baseless nonsense in a plea for attention, and then, instead of admitting you are wrong, like a real person, you just troll on.

[chasfh]

Just now, Useful Idiot said:

I really see that as an abusive comment.   Hope you found it gratifying.

What I've concluded is that I'll be dead of old age before this team is ever close to dominance. So I feel the reality is more one that this team quit me.

It's a serious question seeing how you are asking the same question of someone else here who is being hopeful. Your question suggests you won't give the team three years, so how long will you give them?

[chasfh]

1 minute ago, mtutiger said:

I get that, but do believe he's one of those buy-low upside candidates that's in Harris' wheelhouse. 

Perhaps. I believe if it hypothetically were to come down to one of only the three position players named, I would think Rios would be the third choice.

[Shinzaki]

10 minutes ago, Useful Idiot said:

Winning requires talent, talent costs money.  So, if you're getting the subsidy anyway, by keeping your costs to a minimum, you come out ahead in balance.   It's not that he's averse to winning, if "winning" came along miraculously with no strings attached (2015 Royals) I'm sure he'd graciously accept it. He's just not willing to pay the cost of admission.

To trot out an oldie...you're projecting more than Bell and Howell

[mtutiger]

6 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Perhaps. I believe if it hypothetically were to come down to one of only the three position players named, I would think Rios would be the third choice.

I don't know where he'd fall, just don't think Frazier really brings much to the table in terms of what this club really needs and will command a lot more than either Anderson or Rios. 

Then again, given we are talking about the lower end of the free agent market, the stakes are basically floor level if these are the guys they are bandying about.

Edited December 12, 2022 by mtutiger

[chasfh]

2 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I don't know where he'd fall, just don't think Frazier really brings much to the table in terms of what this club really needs and will command a lot more than either Anderson or Rios. 

Then again, given we are talking about the lower end of the free agent market, the stakes are basically floor level if these are the guys they are bandying about.

I am not a fan of Adam Frazier. I would be only if we signed him and only for as long as he's on the team.