2022-23 Detroit Tigers Offseason Thread

[mtutiger]

  On 12/14/2022 at 4:44 PM, HeyAbbott said:

We probably  6 or 7 top line guys to compete for a divisional championship in the AL Central. To get a sure thing first string player today one is looking at an eight year commitment at 20 mil per season per player minimum. We would need a 140 million dollar per year increase in the payroll per year committed  per year for the next 8 years or an additional 1.2 billion dollar payroll commitment additional to cover the next 8 years. Or in other words, for 280 to 300 million a year, assuming no injuries and no screw-ups choosing your free agent signings, you get maybe 3 or 4 shots at the crap-shoot known as the World Series. That's probably where the free agent market is today.

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This post is correct, although the highlighted number could be lower depending on advances by guys like Torkelson/Greene/Meadows, etc. Which also speaks to the fact that, as much as people may roll their eyes at pinning hopes on those already on the roster, in order for them to be even have a chance at being remotely competitive or even sniffing .500 in 2023, more than anything else that is what will make up the difference. Not any one individual free agent signing.

Edited December 14, 2022 by mtutiger

[Tiger337]

  On 12/14/2022 at 4:04 PM, RatkoVarda said:

Yes.

Out of 8 billion people on the planet, there are at most 15 better shortstops.

If Baez leaves, the 2024 SS will probably be a downgrade.

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It would be a downgrade at shortstop for 2024, but perhaps the money saved is used for an upgrade elsewhere.  Hopefully, he has a good first half and they can get something for him before he leaves.  

[Jim Cowan]

  On 12/14/2022 at 5:37 PM, Tiger337 said:

It would be a downgrade at shortstop for 2024, but perhaps the money saved is used for an upgrade elsewhere.  Hopefully, he has a good first half and they can get something for him before he leaves.  

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I think that this is correct.  It's like comparing whoever plays third for $800,000 to Candelario, without knowing where they spent the money that was saved there.

[casimir]

  On 12/14/2022 at 5:40 PM, Jim Cowan said:

I think that this is correct.  It's like comparing whoever plays third for $800,000 to Candelario, without knowing where they spent the money that was saved there.

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It went to the new lights.  Maybe now the hitters can see what they are swinging at.

[Jim Cowan]

  On 12/14/2022 at 5:42 PM, casimir said:

It went to the new lights.  Maybe now the hitters can see what they are swinging at.

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[casimir]

  On 12/14/2022 at 1:32 PM, Tenacious D said:

 

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Kinda makes you wonder what Sister Jean would get to pitch if she wasn't tied up with that nun gig.

[mtutiger]

  On 12/14/2022 at 5:37 PM, Tiger337 said:

It would be a downgrade at shortstop for 2024, but perhaps the money saved is used for an upgrade elsewhere.  Hopefully, he has a good first half and they can get something for him before he leaves.  

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Really, if both ERod and Javy opt out, added to Miggy coming off the books, they have zero excuse not to spend next offseason.

That's, like, $75 million dollars lol

[casimir]

  On 12/14/2022 at 5:45 PM, mtutiger said:

Really, if both ERod and Javy opt out, added to Miggy coming off the books, they have zero excuse not to spend next offseason.

That's, like, $75 million dollars lol

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Precisely. 

If the younger hitters can rebound/mature, if the pitchers can stay healthy, if they can polish up a high level minor leaguer or 3 that could be ready for 2024.....

[SoCalTiger]

  On 12/14/2022 at 4:04 PM, RatkoVarda said:

Yes.

Out of 8 billion people on the planet, there are at most 15 better shortstops.

If Baez leaves, the 2024 SS will probably be a downgrade.

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I agree with this. Hopefully Harris is targeting this right now. Our shelves internally are empty apart from Kriedler who can field but unknown if he can hit. 

[SoCalTiger]

  On 12/14/2022 at 5:45 PM, mtutiger said:

Really, if both ERod and Javy opt out, added to Miggy coming off the books, they have zero excuse not to spend next offseason.

That's, like, $75 million dollars lol

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The free agent market next year stinks apart from Ohtani who will be a Met for 500 million over 12 years. . He will speed past 400. 

[RatkoVarda]

  On 12/14/2022 at 6:14 PM, SoCalTiger said:

The free agent market next year stinks apart from Ohtani who will be a Met for 500 million over 12 years. . He will speed past 400. 

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yep; slightly bigger middle class, but not good overall

C - no one

1b - Rhys Hoskins (31)

2b - Wong (33)

SS - Javier Baez (31); Amed Rosario (28)

3b - Matt Chapman (31); Rafael Devers (27); Machado (31)

LF - Lourdes Gurriel Jr. (30); Ian Happ (29); Jesse Winker (30)

CF - Harrison Bader (30); Cody Bellinger (28)

RF - Teoscar Hernandez (31); Hunter Renfroe (32)

Superstar: Shohei Ohtani (29)

[mtutiger]

  On 12/14/2022 at 6:14 PM, SoCalTiger said:

The free agent market next year stinks apart from Ohtani who will be a Met for 500 million over 12 years. . He will speed past 400. 

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Third base looks pretty good compared to this year, otherwise correct.

[Tenacious D]

  On 12/14/2022 at 3:35 PM, chasfh said:

Correa would never have signed with Detroit for 10/325. He wanted to play for a contender, and despite our playing .475 ball a couple years ago, we weren't one. I think it probably would have taken something close to 400 million for him to throw all that aside and come to Detroit.

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San Francisco played .500 ball and are way behind SD and LA.  They also lost out on other free agents this offseason. 

Correa followed the money. And if a better offer came from Detroit, he’d have signed with us.

Thank God we “missed out.”  SF made a horrible deal that they will likely start to regret in 7-8 years, if not sooner.

 

[mtutiger]

Was beginning to think it'd never be official lol

[chasfh]

  On 12/14/2022 at 7:39 PM, Tenacious D said:

San Francisco played .500 ball and are way behind SD and LA.  They also lost out on other free agents this offseason. 

Correa followed the money. And if a better offer came from Detroit, he’d have signed with us.

Thank God we “missed out.”  SF made a horrible deal that they will likely start to regret in 7-8 years, if not sooner.

 

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Depends. What you say “better offer”, what number would Detroit have had to offer to lead Correa to take ours versus San Francisco’s 13/350?

[RandyMarsh]

With payrolls going up and seemingly going to continue to rise I don't think big market teams are as concerned about "regretting" deals 6 or 7 years down the road.

For instance by that time its very likely SF may have near a 300 million dollar payroll if they keep projecting upwards and even if Correa is an albatross by then he would still only represent like 10% of their payroll.

Having that percentage of dead weight isn't nearly as debilitating as say having 30 million on a 150 million like we were with Miggy. 

[Dan Gilmore]

How many teams are ignoring the luxury tax, or did that change enough in the latest CBA that it has no teeth? I thought that the Dodgers were the only club that didn’t pay attention to the tax due to the enormous revenues. And the other high payroll teams at least made attempts to stay below some of the time and limit the tax. Some of the recent splurges..

 

[HeyAbbott]

  On 12/14/2022 at 8:30 PM, RandyMarsh said:

With payrolls going up and seemingly going to continue to rise I don't think big market teams are as concerned about "regretting" deals 6 or 7 years down the road.

For instance by that time its very likely SF may have near a 300 million dollar payroll if they keep projecting upwards and even if Correa is an albatross by then he would still only represent like 10% of their payroll.

Having that percentage of dead weight isn't nearly as debilitating as say having 30 million on a 150 million like we were with Miggy. 

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A number of the big market teams, such as the New York Yankees, have their own cable network they own/control. With the somewhat disappointing ratings for the World Series, MLB could be in danger of the revenue topping out while the revenue for New York and Los Angeles continuing to grow, creating a system where there is a dominant team say Ala The Harlem Globetrotters playing some twenty odd Washington Generals mutant teams instead of true competition. We are not there yet.

[Jim Cowan]

  On 12/14/2022 at 7:39 PM, Tenacious D said:

San Francisco played .500 ball and are way behind SD and LA.  They also lost out on other free agents this offseason. 

Correa followed the money. And if a better offer came from Detroit, he’d have signed with us.

Thank God we “missed out.”  SF made a horrible deal that they will likely start to regret in 7-8 years, if not sooner.

 

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He wanted to play for a contender, which is why he left the Astros.

[Tenacious D]

Once Rodon signs, I think we move ERod to one of the bridesmaids.  He has a team friendly contract.  Even if he opted out, he’s a huge bargain for a good team at $14M for next season.  Probably our best trade chip.

[RatkoVarda]

 

Edited December 15, 2022 by RatkoVarda

[chasfh]

  On 12/15/2022 at 12:21 AM, RatkoVarda said:

 

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He strikes out fewer batters than average and walks more batters than average, going back two years at least, so controlling the plate in not in his recent skill set. Maybe we’re signing him to DH. 😏

[Tenacious D]

  On 12/15/2022 at 12:26 AM, chasfh said:

He strikes out fewer batters than average and walks more batters than average, going back two years at least, so controlling the plate in not in his recent skill set. Maybe we’re signing him to DH. 😏

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He gets the Harold Castro innings 

[chasfh]

Seems pretty clear that Harris/Hinch/Fetter see Michael Lorenzen as a worthy reclamation project. They want to change him from this:

 

 

Back to reclaiming this:

 

[mtutiger]